John 6:61-7:1 - Offensive Jesus?

John 6:61-7:1  - Offensive Jesus?

60) The disciples/people following; Jesus failed to understand what Jesus was teaching last week, that He is the only way to salvation, it is by His body and only His body they can be saved. (granted Jesus was very graphic and the words was gross if understood in a physical way, or fleshly way, and not a Spiritual way).

Hard saying -who can listen to it? (what are the hard sayings of Jesus? What makes you start to leave Jesus or not follow him?).

61) Jesus knowing in himself, the disciples were grumbling and having trouble understanding and believing, - ask Do you take offence at this?

62) If you do what if you see the son of Man ascending to where he was before? (If you take offence at this?)

63) Trying to explain the trouble they have Jesus say, It is the Spirt (God the Holy Spirt who gives life) to open your eyes to see Who the son of man is, and who God is. The way you see does not help you only look at the physical and or the flesh, it can’t help, you need the Holy Spirt to give you life.  What I just said to you is words of spirt and life. (I have the Holy Spirt in me to give life). (Spirt and the flesh, - has lead in church history to some issues, if taken literally, the problem is not the physical without it we would not exist, Jesus is speaking about only understanding everything as Physical, there is a Spiritual world, and there is a Holy Spirt that can help us understand Jesus words, and without it we cant. This is not as some Greek philosophy and that say physical is evil and only spiritual is Good, and that is not what Jesus is saying, He is saying you need the Holy Spirt and God to draw you to me, or you will leave when you get offend or don’t get what you want.)

64) But there some of you who don’t believe, - (John inserts his commentary and tells the reader that Jesus knew who did not believe and who would betray him).

65) And like last week Jesus restates that, the reason you don’t believe is that you don’t hear and believe the scriptures that speak of who God is and God calls via them but you don’t believe. You can’t come if the Father does not grant you to come. (Note the Father, the Son, the Spirt, all have a part of salvation process they all work together, Jesus his body, life, death, resurrection, God calls and the Holy Spirt gives life by the spirt.

What a beautiful insight in our 3-1 God, Jesus speaks words of life and Spirt (Holy Spirt) God the Father draws people, via his word/scripture and the word Jesus. (That all of God is making a way for people to be with God – salvation, redemption, adoption). That is not seen at all…

66) Instead, many of his disciples stop following Jesus.  (What about you? Do or did you stop? And why? Does Jesus offend you? And why are you offended. Do you walk with Jesus or away from Jesus, when life is hard?) (What do you think about the 3-1 God in salvation?)

67) The 12. Jesus asks the 12, do you want to go away as well? (Good question, what about you?) There are as Jesus said before some among the 12 that does not believe.

68) Simon Peter speaks up, Lord where shall we go? (Are you sending us somewhere different like John did?) No, Peter say you have the words of eternal life. You are the Holy One of God. Who is Jesus? Who is he in your life? (Well, it is not only words, but also actions as Jesus had said, that it would be his body, people will be saved).

69) We have believed that you are the Holy One of God. (So we are not leaving they have a different understanding og who Jesus is, they have seen and know Jesus better, walking on the water, making vine, bead and the healings). And when Jesus called them.

70) Jesus does not say great, you are staying I was hoping you would, instead Jesus say I chose you 12 and there is one of you that is a devil. (I choses you, you did not chose me).

71) John explains who that is. Judas.

7:1) John explain that Jesus was spending his time in Galilee, because in Juda, the Jews were seeking to kill him. (because Jesus claimed to be God).

Do you take offence? In the western culture people take offence at many things today…. And people say they feel violated – and that is a stage cultural Fennomen, That people can say, that I felt violated or offend because of what you said or did. Often behind peoples offence is an idol, that they feel they need to protect, and the response it to be offended, and lash out at whoever or whatever offended. I think failing to see or acknowledge that they might be wrong, that their emotions and views or response is wrong.

As Jesus was saying to the people if this so highly offends you how could you be able to see other spiritual things? In a way Jesus is pointing out that they have misunderstood who he is.

(A good question also today – Do you take offence at Jesus many do – What about Jesus make you take offence?

One author wrote: The gospel is offensive to all cultures and time periods, it is difference what might cause the offence in culture, love you enemy, forgive, - no salvation without the cross, religious or linsesious are the same, only the cross can lead us to salvation and redemption in Christ).  When you do take offence, is it because Jesus would or is it because one of your “idols”, thinking paddons are being attacked?

We might not like it but as belivers in Jesus we properly should be the last people to be offended, I mean we believe that we as enemies of God, was saved by grace as Jesus provided his life, death on the cross, to a helpless person me, - I mean I should be offended on His behalf, and that would be arrogant, because God in Gods wisdom planed and chose that as the way of redemption, - me / others be offened at God would be arogand and say to God, I know a better plan. (that does not mean many people are not mad at God and charge God with all kinds of evil – often seeming to fail to understand who God is, and what God has done). But for many it could be a way to understand the Gospel. – A wake up, HEY, a question asked, will you also leave? And reacalling that Jesus chose us.