January Bible Study 2026 2

well, welcome to

accession two of our tour through the state of theology survey. Thank you. Yeah, that's fine. I had planned to be with you last week. Lawn had planned to cover a session later in the month. When I Had No Voice by Tuesday, we swap plans and it worked out great for long cuz he got all the easy questions last week. I'll and I'll start with the hardwoods this week, so yeah.

I heard you all. Had some good discussion. I'm glad I would be happy for that to continue tonight. You went through the first nine statements on the survey last week, so, that means we're ready for number 10. Number 10 happened to be one of the two most, I can't the controversial, but the, the least agreement of any of them. Number 10 says, The holy spirit gives a spiritual New Birth or new life. Before a person has faith in Jesus Christ. You can see from Ara

The way our results came in there. We're not at all. Sure about that one.

We see if I can make that screen less yellow, hang on.

You know what I think.

You should have gone to a charismatic church like I did, that's all we talked about.

Nah, yeah, that's what we thought. The Baptists were really missing out on the Holy Spirit and I was sorry, General understanding that is certainly a good point. That's a good issue. Just the fact of The role of the Holy Spirit may be murky, let alone the order of events. So I'm glad you brought that out in my assumption when I saw the answers here was that most of us believe the Holy Spirit gate, give the spiritual New Birth or new life. But we assumed that came after, how many of you thought that was the understanding? That was ruling today? Here, was there a third way of understanding this? That I didn't think of I'm sorry.

Oh and simultaneously simultaneously. Yeah, good, that's a good point. Okay, so we had this is this is our survey results. I did not bring up the broader survey results, but if you want to while we're going to lawn, you can always see them if you just go to the state of theology. Cam on your phone. Not that I really want you sitting on your phones but you know so you can see how we compared to others. But this is a this one gets a lot of disagreement across-the-board. Yes sir.

Now, I know.

9 I diffuse the quick near a I woke the dungeon flame with light. Yeah, yeah. So that's if, if you, if you click the, if you're in the survey and you click to get Ligonier as response to this statement, they'll tell you. This is a true statement, but it helps that maybe Define some terms here. So I guess we could begin by dividing the Holy Spirit. That's the third person of the Trinity. The holy spirit is the one who the way this is, sometimes described is the father plans are Redemption, the sun accomplishes. Our Redemption, the spirit applies. Our Redemption, is it, you may for that kind of language before and it's true, it is the Holy Spirit. Who does this work? It's a really the question is, whether that's before or before faith in our faith is response to that work or whether it's after. So let's define what new birth. Our new life is

Yeah, so here's the language that we typically use the 25-cent word for New Birth or new life is regeneration. And you can guess from that word, would, it would it means but specifically in the spiritual sense? Here's here's the way, a Systematic Theology with Will Define this regeneration is The Sovereign Act of God by and through the preach. The gospel whereby he instantaneously imparts spiritual life, to a sinner, bringing him out of, spiritual death, and into spiritual life. That's our, that's our prop that door open and it probably came close, if it gets too cold by

that's the definition of regeneration is sort of synonymous with spiritual New Birth, or spiritual New Life. Doesn't that require payment, right? That is the question. Doesn't that require faith in Christ? And that is, I don't know about you all, but that's kind of a the understanding that I grew up with, write you. You Jesus said, you must be born again. So right? You got to have faith so you can be born again so you can go to have it, right? Make sense. Well, the challenge comes when you take that understanding that I don't know where exactly I got that. It was just sort of in the in the air that I breathe growing up, everybody thought that but then you start looking at scripture and you find statements like this in 2nd Corinthians 4. Speaking of unbelievers that in their case, the God of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers to keep them from seeing the light of the Gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. And of course, seeing the light of the Gospel, the glory of Christ that would be synonymous with believing that would be coming to Faith. That would be receiving Christ or however you want to call. How are you want to describe salve? So Satan is doing that. But in the next verse for God, who said, let light shine out of Darkness, has shown in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God, in the face of Jesus Christ. This is why the definition that I already said that this is The Sovereign Act of God. God does this. And that's what Paul describing and said, 2nd Corinthians 4. This is a work that God does where he gives light to someone who was blinded in darkness by his own nature and by the work of the devil, he didn't have any, he wasn't, he wasn't receptive to light, until God makes that happened shine, Shone, or of Hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God. In the face of Jesus Christ. The way Jesus talks about this and in John talks about this in person, on five, is everyone who believes that Jesus is? The Christ has been bored of God. And everyone who loves the father loves, Whoever has been born in Born of God, that's regeneration. That's new, spiritual birth, or new spiritual life, right? Everyone who believes that Jesus is. The Christ has been born of God. Now, those of you who took any level of grammar in school, which event is described as the cause and which is described as the effect of, which comes first, and which comes after in 1st, John 5, Just in this. Whether you agree about regeneration and Faith which comes first just in this verse, what does the text say? Which comes first.

Faith comes first in the sentence, which comes first cause Ali. Everyone who believes that Jesus is. The Christ has been born of God. If you believe you already have been born of God. That's the way John is describing this, right? If you believe that Jesus is the Christ, that's because prior to that, you have been born of God. That's that's his language. It's not like it's confusing or a complex matter of G or anything. In fact, you may have trouble swallowing this worse because you like I did grew up thinking. We'll know you face comes first and then the new birth. But if you look at how else John talks like this, for example, in chapter 32 chapters earlier, he said, no one born of God makes a practice of C4 Godsey to buy than him and he cannot keep on sending because he has been born of God. You don't have any problem with this one. Right who who does not keep on sending as I cannot keep on sending you talkin about those who. Are unbelievers, know obviously has their right Believers. Keep on sending because they have been born of God. And you look at that and you say, well, yeah, obviously, right the course, of course, regeneration new spiritual life, new spiritual birth. Of course, that precedes laying off from sitting every Christian knows that well that's the exact same construction that he used when he spoke of being born again and having faith. Same same construction, completely the same

We just sort of air condition to pass over the way he States states. And in this verse because we kind of think we'll know that that's that's not how I think it works. I think it works face first then it says the same language, one other time. Beloved, let us love one. Another for love is from God and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God, which comes first loving or knowing god or being born of God, sorry. Being born of God comes first, of course. And again, we look at this verse that. We stay well, duh. Yeah. Obviously, before I came to Christ, I didn't truly love anyone. But those are my three favorite people me myself. And I, I only learned to love because because Christ changed me because I was born again. And then, I loved. Well, guess what?

John says, it's the same way in terms of the same relationship. In terms of Faith, you have faith because you have been born of God. I wasn't going to proliferate versus on this one, but We can talk about the Jesus language in when he's talking about the when he's comparing the Holy Spirit to the wind and the wind blows where it wishes and you see the facts but you don't cause it and he says that this is why he's telling academus. You must be born again. He's not telling Nicodemus you must be born again because Nicodemus that something you have to accomplish in order to be saved in order to be a child of God, he's saying No, this is if this is going to happen, God's going to do it. You're not in charge of it. That's why he talks about the the, the wind and the work of the spirit in regeneration, the way he does. Now, for some of us, this is old news and we've wrestled with this before, for some of us it's like, wow, that is the first I've ever heard of the concept of regeneration proceeding fake. If that's you, if this the first you ever heard of what immediate questions come to mind before, I can just move on to the next statement. So I know this is a hard one

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The first. I don't think of it happening. All of this is a really good point. I'm so glad you said it when we say when John says that regeneration precedes Faith, which is effectively what he's saying here. He's saying that more in the sense of logically, not in the sense of chronologically so you must be born of God in order to love the father in order to have faith in order to love the brother and right, that has to have happened. But the way we typically understand this is it probably is not like there's a gap in time because the minute you are regenerated, you believe. How does God accomplish his work every generation through the gospel, right through the preach the word. And when this work happens, regeneration happens. That is when instead of just ignoring the gospel, not hearing the gospel, rejecting the gospel, the light bulb comes on, and you say I believe that, It's probably in that moment. So this is more of a logical, causal relationship, not a temporal. Yeah. Oh yeah, that that would certainly be an issue. I'm glad you brought that up. Is it theoretically possible that regeneration? Could happen at some point prior chronologically to Faith? I don't even, I don't even know. That's not what the text talks about, what the text talks about it which is, which causes which and the the Bible, the answer is regeneration. Precedes faith causally. Call Billy good. Good thought, what else? What else might be a

what in the world if you encounter yessir?

No. Yeah that's This is, this is the point that she just brought up. We're talkin the, the new birth of regeneration and Faith In Time happen together. We're talking about the relationship of those two things in terms of which causes which sew in. In time. The moment that you believe that Jesus is the Christ, you are born again. Those two things are happening at the same time. You hear the gospel, you believe the gospel that you're saved.

logically or in terms of which causes which If you believe you have been born of God already, the reason you believe is because you've been born of God. in terms of cause I don't know how to say that a different way other than, cause anybody, got a different word to

faith is the the evidence or you could say the result or the fruit or

Baptist Church in. Baptized by the Holy Spirit, those churches are actually. Usually usually they're talkin about a subsequent work of the spirits not regeneration. There are some who confuse the two but usually churches are talking about us as separate work in the spirit, sir.

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God himself, right?

One moment you were in verse for a second Corinthians four, you were blinded. You were not seeing the the the light of the Gospel of the glory of Christ. You didn't see it. The next moment you are in verse 5, you see the light of the Gospel, my glory of Christ, what happened?

Yeah, that's true. That is a pretty good description. She said it if agents to the first 10 verses of chapter 2, in Ephesians, explain this, pretty weather pretty in, in quite a bit of detail. So here's here's something that I will, let me go back to the statement. If you said I disagree with this, or I'm somewhat disagree or whatever, I don't, I don't care. That's if you don't mind. Here's here's the here's the one astroscope put on, that's okay. if you said no faith, precedes regeneration because it is my decision to accept Christ, that is determinate event whether or not I'm saved, Because I have the ability within myself apart from any work of God to make that decision on my own that is outside the bounds of what scripture, except God have to do something. Now we're confused on the timing of all that and how it all works together fine. No problem. As long as at the end of the day, we're all saying. I am saved by grace alone through faith alone, then good, right? Okay.

Well, that was a hard one with the rest of the evening of the Cakewalk.

All right, it does depend on that fire yet?

7-Eleven the Holy Spirit. Can tell me to do something which is forbidden in the Bible. 63 of us said. I strongly disagree.

Couple of us. I'm surprised at how few not sure. Is there. I love that ever. Even the people who are like a hundred percent sure one way or the other. So we have one strongly agree and one agrees somewhat, he was my speculation on this one, actually let me save my speculation. Most of us can't do that. What would you guess? Might cause someone to say the Holy Spirit can do that.

Yes, I desire to disobey something that's in scripture. I have a good point. Absolutely. That's one, there's a more charitable option. Yes.

He send when an evil spirit from the Lord was upon him. I can't remember an instance of Right, right. Right, right? Yeah, that's important. That's a good point. This is specific. This is not saying no Spirit can tell me. This is saying the Holy Spirit, the third person. The Trinity can tell me something to do, which is to do something, which is forbidden in the Bible. That's that's important time.

And that's like a misunderstood. That's a good point. Okay that's possible. That's one I hadn't thought of if you didn't hear that when he was talking about Peter's vision where the he has the vision that sheet being let down, and he's told rise Peter, kill and eat and Peter's answers basically know that's against the Bible. Yeah, good but you're right. There is a lot more going on there than just the script, the word.

Oh yeah. Is he is he contradicting answer? No, but yeah, you can see, here's the one. I thought of I could see somebody answering that question. Yeah. I strongly agree because he's gone. He can do whatever he wants.

Will know.

Yeah. How dare you say God can't. Well the answer is he can't.

because,

Contrary to his nature.

Right. He does not lie. And therefore it says, one thing, he's not going to go back and contradict himself. That is the heart of the issue. She didn't hear Jake said, he doesn't lie. So if he says one thing, he's he's not going to go in contradict it later because that would be lying. This is how the the systematic God is not a god of confusion but of Peace teen. Oh no, this is Ligonier is responsive. He click on the true or false. They say, God is a god of confusion of confusion, but a piece that's God, cannot contradict himself for that. Would cause confusion. Since the holy spirit is God, and since God ultimately author, the Bible, the holy spirit will never contradict something contradict himself by telling us to do something. That is forbidden in the Bible. Absolutely accurate. So I thought about maybe we should like after each one of these questions, we could just have a little altar call. We say every pint of answering that question wrongly.

We will.

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Yep.

Yeah, I did. That's why I wanted to take a minute to say why might somebody have answered it this way? Because

absolutely.

I I had somebody email me like a day or two or something later that week and say I just realized I answered this and I meant that and would you please correct that? Because that would be so wrong. I was delighted. And I was really relieved. Correct, one of those scores to cuz I was like, wow, somebody thinks that Okay, so there's there's the short answer and again I don't think this is a terribly complicated one.

Unless anybody has any questions, will go the next one. Oh, this is a fun one. Everyone sends a little but most people are good by Nature.

Why have a? I have a motion from the floor to strike the words a little second.

Yeah, right he did say that. So let's let's stop for a minute and say why might someone say strongly agree that Let's, let's put on our charitable hats here.

Yeah. You know I got neighbors who are unbelievers and they haven't machete me to death yet. Absolutely. What else?

Wants to believe.

People are good and God with me.

Analysis is. People aren't good.

That the trick probably to this when is, is defining this word, right? What do you mean? Good? I think there's a disconnect between what God considers a sin and what we

I know a lot of people say, wall, Right.

I just said a little white lie, so it's fine.

Right.

Yeah, I've never had those people in prison. I never done any of those things. Got them, there is a sliding scale. And at the Vino at the, at the far, end of that scale is Adolf Hitler in. At the other end is Jesus in that puts all of us somewhere in the middle.

Yeah, right. If?

Yeah.

That compartments going to be more crowded than we think. I appreciate the honesty of I'm not sure. I think there are some charitable reasons why someone might agree with that. And we talked about a little bit of that. Again, probably mostly about defining. What do you mean by good? Do you mean good in terms of how we think about good which is a relative metric? Or do you mean good as in Meet the perfect standard of God's righteousness and merits eternal life? and if you mean that second one will now you've narrowed the field to one guy

Yeah.

Right? I thought Jeff all the time.

Yeah, you're right.

Only the relatively good. Right. Pinpoint Joshua. What is clarifying because the question is about his statement but it asked if I could, I would by nature. And when we think about man's nature,

Yeah, the only reason I was my first thought too. When I saw our responses to that one word, 100% disagree was, where were you? When we're through the first three chapters of reference. But because by the time we got done with Romans, this was his summary of our plight as it is riches, right? Written. None is righteous. No, not one, no one understands. No one sees for God to side together they have become worthless. No one does good not even one so you can't have these words echoing in your head when you read that statement and say, oh yeah, I basically agree with that. Tech.

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Good morning.

as as I'm fond of saying, We're not Sinners because we sin, we sin, because we're Sinners. Yeah, that's that's a good point. And by the way, that question I went through, I mentioned to you when I was talking about our responses to these that the first time that time we couldn't blame it on the younger Generations. I went through and filtered for 65 and up on and went through every single question. Because I got so intrigued, because every time they went to the next question, I was equally astonished at how bad it was like like 65 and up just cannot be like I guess they're answering about their grandchildren. Like know, my children are basically good. I don't know. It was it was it was scary.

Maybe it was it 70 seconds.

being you were going to say,

Were made in the image of Oye.

If you didn't hear what he said, he's just wanting out. When it says, people are good by Nature. Somebody might say, well, I made in the image of God, that must be good. Yeah, good point. Just as long as you skip Genesis 3 that's that's accurate.

We are the opposite.

Oh, very heavily agree. Yes.

Yeah.

No, I probably would not like that but I don't think it's an option. Oh yeah, let's take it. Let's let's stand outside the conventional and do this next year.

Okay, statement 13 Even the smallest send deserve Eternal damnation. I thought this one was so worth exploring that I preached a sermon but last week, I guess this week Sunday, so we were already strongly weighted toward agree and we can talk about I think on Sunday about some of Summer. Why that might be confusing or difficult for folks to except which I totally get having had now a few days to process that sermon. And now thinking about this statement with fresh eyes, what questions are Issues, would you raise here?

Question. Yeah, that's a good point. Why weren't the numbers the same on those two? This inverted yet.

I get it, the issue of relative.

Smallest. Then that's fine. It could be the tiniest. Then, I think it will answer your phone with your guidance. I've learned there are really big bad things, and that's what they all received, the same punishment, the same way death

Jesus says, if you do well,

yeah, if you get if you violate the least, the law,

You know, you think we would we would get three chapters in The Genesis and and figure this one out because honestly, how big is thin is it to eat a bite of fruit? Just because it's forbidden and you going to tell me that not only did those two people died, but everyone who is born of them dies? Because of that, come on. Rockets.

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Quit preaching and gone to Midland there. Yes.

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your smallest finger in my Yeah, that's true. Mike way smaller.

Repeat that.

I said the other night January, Bible study is my opportunity sale. The things I would think twice about saying in the pulpit.

It if you I don't remember what I was going to say, that's good.

Oh, you said that's a silly idea because nobody commits one small then. Yeah, I wanted to get that in the recording. Okay, Damon 14. God counts a person as righteous. Not because of one's works, but only because of one's faith in Jesus Christ.

Yeah, I'm gratified. The nobody strongly disagreed with that. Nobody even disagreed somewhat. We did have a not sure and to somewhat agrees but that's pretty healthy.

These were in Animas most charitable take on who said not sure. they remembered the the chiasm in Romans that God judges on the basis of works. And said, well there's a mean there is God does judge us on the basis of works and that is absolutely true. The issue is you're going to be judged on, either your works or Christ And that's the choice that we're making now, right, weather to submit to him and be counted as righteous in him or whether to go at our own and see whether we meet the bar of Justice. When we stand before before, God, naked, without being clothed in the righteousness of Christ. That's the options.

It is it is a true statement. God counts a person as righteous, not because of one's works, but only because of one's faith. That is true. It is one's own works. Yeah. Yep. You if you meant if you capitalize the oh right here, this will be a false statement.

Because we, we talked about that and rum is right. We talked about the active Obedience of Christ, in the fact that Christ actually didn't just not send, he was perfectly righteous and he earned righteousness for those who are in him, true. Patricia's earlier point about

They could have read gotten out a person's righteousness because of one's works, but only because of one's face in Jesus. And come with Miss but not owe. You could have missed a not. Yeah. I don't sound right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I like the honesty of a, not sure there.

This is the quintessential statement on this, I think in Titus 3, but when the goodness and loving-kindness of God, our savior appeared, he saved us. Not because of work done by us in righteousness, but according to his own Mercy by the washing of regeneration, there it is and renewal of the Holy Spirit who he poured out on us richly through. Jesus Christ, Our Savior. So that being justified by his grace, we might become heirs according the hope of eternal life. If there is why we agree with with statement 14, Okay, 15. Where does that put us while we're doing? We're doing reasonably. Well, everyone is born innocent in the eyes of God.

now, that should have been exactly the same breakdown as a As that earlier one about good or not, everyone is born innocent eyes of God. 52 of us strongly disagreed, four of us, somewhat disagreed. 7, not sure. So great. And then three and three on the agree side.

We already talked about this. but the late voddie baucham used to say, About babies cuz I can understand a new set of parents in the hospital. Believing this, right? Until they've been home about 3 weeks.

So let the late buddy bought him used to say that that's not an innocent baby. That's a Viper in a diaper.

And that's truly. We are not born innocent in the eyes of God because anybody want to volunteer, the reason why this is, this is false.

yeah, he said and sent his mother conceived in Juneau Why is this? Why is this false?

Well now this is this is born innocent. This is like day one. This is like Jacob and Esau before they do anything good or bad.

Exactly, right. Remember that? That description from from Romans 5, you are either in Adam or you are in price and you are born in having everybody. At every child of atom is a child of atom.

I work for the next three over so you're you are born a sinner because that's what Adam produces, he can't produce it. But according to his kind and his kind is simple.

Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.

Jesus. This is one of the thousand reasons why the Virgin birth is so important is because Christ was was uniquely the son of the woman. Not of the man yet. That's right, the seed of the woman.

Yeah, any other I'll see what do I have on this one. Oh yeah, this is there. This is Leanne ears. Answer if you click on Adam and Eve were originally created Innocent. But because of Adam sinned in the garden and that's an important distinction of Distinction. He's right. It's, it's, it's uniquely charge to Adam, as well as the federal head, the representative of the race, because of Adam, in the garden Humanity has been implemented into a state of Corruption of atoms. Descendants accept. Jesus Christ have inherited this condition of sinfulness, and are born with us in nature. That's why after that happens, in gen 3, the next chapter Genesis 4 has built the list of The Descendants and every one of them ends with and he died. So, and so was born, he lived this long, he got children and he died, and he died, and he died and he died and he died. Why did they all die? Because they were all children of atom because they were not born innocent. It didn't, it doesn't record a single sin. In that list of the descendants of Adam. But it was it recorded plenty of death. All of them actually except for the one that God took All right, anything else on that one?

Yeah, but imagine the guilt condemned the race.

That's right. I'm in the scripture. The scripture says because you've listened to the voice of your wife,

not that you should never listen to your wife men, but

Nicola Wright.

Number 16 in the Bible, like all sacred. Writings contain helpful accounts of ancient myths, but is not literally true. We were sixty-three 32 + 11, somewhat distant, they're somewhat agree. 0 strongly agree, that's interesting. So, because we were pretty well in a lineman on this one, what, what, what can you think of that might have made somebody, not sure how to answer this one to work. Faribault. Oh okay. Yeah, there you go. Good. Parables not literally true.

Now we're in dangerous water.

Miracle. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I can remember having that conversation with a guy at like one of my like my first job after we were married. He's talking about yet. Like I I believe it will, I will, but not like, like when the Bible says, it's some guy live to be 90 years old. You don't think that means, literally, he live to be 90 and some-odd years old and I was like, well actually, yes, I do think that right. How about a flood that covered the? Tops of all the high mountain Cena? That will play into one of the later statements as matter fact, more like disbelief. What's up? What's a more charitable reason? Somebody might have been not sure about this. I like The Parables when did just for you were going to say something.

Yeah. we're going to talk about that one in the when we get to that science statement,

Yeah, that and so in that instance, then Adam and he weren't literal literal first humans.

Right.

Yeah. The Earth is million, the million save all that cuz we got a science one coming up any other reasons, why you might think that this is a myth and not literally true or might be confused about that?

Oh, okay.

Oh yeah.

The death of a favorite of those who have a particular thing that they wanted my in the scriptures, like my potatoes then yet.

Oh yeah.

Yeah, the issue of how do we know what the Bible actually said originally? And how many times has been copied and and copies copies and all that, by the way, if you're interested in that, stay tuned for more news about an event. In February up at that, Red Bridge is hosting with a couple of professors from Midwestern talking about kind of that question. How we get the Bible and how do we know it's reliable more details to come? But sounds really fun. This is, this is a couple of key reasons why I won't even entertain the mythical kind of understanding, even though I understand. Yeah, it's something like I'm sympathetic for example to somebody saying, woah. Like every ancient civilization that we know about has a flood story. So why wouldn't the Bible have a flood story? That was adopted in a blah? Blah blah. Here's the two. Here are two primary reasons why I don't entertain any of the mythological treatment of the scripture. And that's number one, for example, if you, if you think that Adam and Eve are mystical but telling an important spiritual truth. Well, you're lost because Paul hinges, the whole situation of our Salvation in Romans 5 on a literal historical, Adam in whom we were all born in a literal historical Christ into whom we can be replaced by faith, right? That's how salvation Works. According to Paul Romans 5, the the federal view of Jesus representing us which we all subscribe to if we're going to heaven, Is based in Paul's argument in Romans 5, on the federal view of Adams representation of us as a race in the garden. That's how that works, Adam represented us. And now Christ is able to represent us. And, of course, the the other key example of this would be no, you want to say that the resurrection is in a musical. And an important spiritual idea, but not literally true. Paul says, we are all of all people most to be pitied if that's true. Walking around out here thinking like there's going to be a resurrection when that is not the case. The fact is the resurrection didn't happen, then if that's not real than Christ wasn't Resurrection. In Christ was erected resurrected in, you're still in your sins. That's how important the literalness of the scripture was the apostle. Christ has not been raised in our preaching, is in vain, in your faith is in vain. Alright, next 117.

The Bible is 100% accurate in all that, it teaches.

65 of a strongly agree. Three of us agree. Somewhat. Somewhat disagree. You might say, I'm not sure about that because the Bible does record errors, right? Because it recorded the lives of people and what people said. And so there are for example. I don't know what.

Name, all is in Scripture. And speaks and he's a fool and scripture records what he says and so forth. So maybe that's maybe that was what you were thinking about their. I don't know in any other any other reasons why you might have been not ready to go 100% on the strongly agree but maybe dries somewhat.

Smallest sin.

But the entire Cosmos standing still of the earth, the earth standing still? Yeah.

Star chart. belt Guidance, the moon and different places without accounting for backup plan.

Yeah, right. If I can't believe it's 100% true that this was the issue. She raised in case you didn't hear it. If you don't believe, the Bible is 100% true. Where is your standard for determining the the parts that aren't Jacob.

Have I told you about the event at Red Bridge coming up yet. That's what people do think that Shirley error has crept in, Shirley over the course of of this much time I have heard that thought. Go apart again, that that question still stands so F. Here's an example. We've been we've, we've had some ugly nest with in the Southern Baptist convention over the issue of women holding the office of Elder. Or pastor. And some people are like, well why you want to fight that so much, you use hate women, why you fighting over something so small and it's it's funny go home tonight and and I do a sky or do your own research, the trajectory from women being Elders, to church being gay. Affirming is almost a hundred percent reliable. Why? Cuz when they started out a front let you know when Saddleback affirmed women as pastors, couple years ago, there's no way they thought they were on a trajectory that was going to put them toward being gay affirming. Why does that happen pretty much 100% of the time? Because once you decide that, you can decide, which part of the Bible is not, Right which, which 1% of the against the 99%? That's true is not true. You just made yourself the Arbiter that. Right. Well guess what? Next time you feel like this can't possibly right? Well, you've already got announced as well. We already in trouble so maybe we were wrong to believe it here but just a slippery slope which is a logical fallacy and also happens to be remarkably productive.

Yeah, the the specific prohibition is on teaching or exercising authority over men. So like Pat teaches Sunday, school class here. And she and I have never had an issue at all. Why? Because it's a class of women teaching in the Bible is not the gathered assembly, but might, we might, we have an issue. We certainly have to talk about it. Safest course is just Half Men, teach because that's the, that's the specific injunction that we have.

Interesting. Yeah, I didn't mean to open that can of worms. I just meant to say when you decide I can decide, which part of the Bible is not accurate, will you just made yourself The Authority, not the scripture.

Yeah, it is. It is

Maybe this was a defense for the three gauntlet.

That man determines the 66 Bible. Oh yeah, yeah.

Or maybe there are other Fork. Yeah.

Right.

Yeah, right. Conveniently, it's always the parts that I disagree with, right?

Yeah, amen. What largely? Thanks to the Bible.

yeah, Stevie Rae has a

It wasn't a social.

Oh yeah. She was saying that is an argument that people use sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. And that streak, that is an arguable use. Here's the script.

His scriptures attestation about what percentage of it is reliable. Proverbs 30 verse 5, every word of God proves true, he's a shield to those who take refuge in him because everywhere it is proved true. 2nd, Timothy, 3, all scripture, we talk about this when a lot is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness, honestly, if you would, just, I've told you before this breathe out, by God, is a word that Paul probably invented cuz it doesn't appear anywhere else and he put together the word for Breeze and the word forgot. They all just us and it suited him. Well, that's probably why he probably going to because it's the perfect description for what scripture actually is. It's they honest off in, breathe out by God. And if you once you get that in your mind, the issue of Will I do? How do I think about this? One is in his this verse still true or might have been, you know that it's all God, breathed, all of it so it doesn't really matter what my opinion of it is. Because God breathed it out. Modern is the one modern science disproves the Bible.

59 of us strongly disagree to disagree somewhat for not sure. One somewhat agree. In three strongly Grease.

Oh yeah, I don't know why it says modern science versus just science.

Because obviously modern science is the best thing. Everybody knows that.

Yeah.

That's very much the case.

So we already talked about some of the reasons why someone might agree with that, the issue of evolution, the issue of the age of the Earth which is closely related to evolution. In their own minds. They do this prove it in oh,

Yeah.

There are probably.

I mean, when I saw this, the statement, I thought number one, I thought. Well, if you strongly agreed with the statement, why you come to church here like why? Cuz all I did.

And not care. Yeah, like modern science is Through the Bible, but I don't care. I'm going with the Bible. That's where I was going actually. Yeah.

Oh yeah, yeah. What's that?

The what?

Oh, it happens to be false.

Oh, okay. I've heard that sentiment. I'm not sure why you would ever come here but yeah.

I wouldn't.

More. Who agreed with. because, you know, so many of us were brought up in

Reason to believe that the Bible is disproved by modern science. And so are they

I got to tell you a funny story about that. So when I first came here, I preached a short New Testament book first. And then very quickly we went into Genesis And I asked the elders before I started Genesis, I was like, you know, I came from a church that was for some reason, I don't really know. It was just sort of a cultural thing. They're very big into creation. Apologetics like we had a number of people who were in The Sciences and in the congregation and they love the whole topic and we took field trips to the, you know, the Creation Museum. And it was it was like a very much a part of the milieu at that church. We taught little kids Christian apologetics like it was a big thing. I came here and I was starting Genesis and I asked the others like is that something that was big here and they're like no I don't think we ever really talked about it and I was like, oh boy. Here we go. And I came here and I taught Six-Day creation and nobody like batted an eye. And I was like, well, that was shockingly, easy. I was ready for you to run me out on that one. Very heavily towards disagreeing with that. And yeah, there might be a couple of might be a couple good reasons why someone might disagree. Here's the thing though. This is not on the table for Christians and here's here's why primarily

When the song that says the heavens declare, the glory of God, in the sky above proclaims his handiwork, he's poetically. Describing what the theologians call General Revelation, which is the book of nature, which is also breathe out by God, right. God spoke the universe into existence and it's telling about him. Now it's not telling in anywhere near the detail that special Revelation the Bible does, but it is talking about him and it is telling the truth and the what, you know, the old the older scientists were doing was they were saying, I believe in God, I believe he has revealed himself, not only in his word, but also in his world and therefore I believe the world is intelligible and I can understand it. And that's basically where what we call science came from. With that understanding of God reveals himself in nature. And so we should look at nature and see what he's telling us. And so it's it is is like Romans 1 level irony to think that science is going to disprove the Bible because they're written by the same person.

So that's why Paul said in Romans 14 his and it visibly attributes. Namely the channel, power, and divine nature have been clearly perceived ever since the creation of the world. In the things that have been made in nature is proclaiming God's invisible attributes. And he uses the play on words, he's into his invisible attributes. Have been clearly perceived. How do you clearly perceive something that's invisible because they're speaking. This is all 19 in non poetic form.