190201 - Toward a Better Understanding of Paul 03

And there we are. so tonight we're doing toward a better understanding Paul and I keep thinking maybe I should change the title to Paul within Judaism just change it to that, but we might go on from this so so I'm going to leave it at sort of better understanding Paul sawyier razor.

Get started early with the subject just a question of terminology the terms we use our problem at the architecture of contemporary discussions on Paul heat. He does a parallel in the chapter that architecture kind of guides our thoughts about the space when we walk into a space. We could think about what might have been here years ago. But we're in the space. So the space is kind of guiding our thoughts even just because it's here words do that. Where is there like a building that we walk into and when we use certain words, they frame the structure our perception of what's going on within those words and he thinks this is a problem. The authors Andrews rennison I said I should talk a little bit about these people every one of these people is an awesome scholar their Stevie's their curriculum vitae as they're there. If you look at them all written lots and lots of books dozens of Articles sat on multiple symposiums and everything. They're they're all brilliant Scholars Anderson Andrews renison happens to be a sweet happens to be Lutheran, but he's traveled all over the world.

And he's he's quite quite brilliant. Listen to him speak thought it'd be interesting to hear him. Talk quite quite brilliant. One thing that's a problem with the all of these guys is sometimes you read what they say and you go what did he say and then it takes you 5 minutes to sort out what exactly it was.

When I learned something you guys can come out.

And I'm Scottish kind of so Nano Scott is I forget which degree in Edinboro. I do wonder where some of these cuz I haven't really looked into it. But I mean, come on.

Just Boonton, I mean that and I don't know but I wonder what is Pacific feel right? And I wonder where I just wondered. Who is it that what is it that informing? You know these Collard where where are they when they are into this perspective?

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I know but finish connection with this crew are culturally a kind of our but they're not linguistically they're not related to the day and dancing unique cultural things going on. But I mean you couldn't you couldn't find any capital in Europe where you get if you had a rally of non-jews to show up in March through the center of Helsinki in Finland.

Well, I'm looking at I know they all mixed berry our national Circle.

I mean, I'm thinking the only thing I know about.

It isn't just Swedish Lutheran's nanosys ever is a reform Jew from Corpus Christi. So and Impala fredrickson's aren't people say she's an atheist other people say she's a Jew other people say she's something else. She she kind of she kind of mixes in international circles. One of the things that sets for Frederickson free. Is she one of the historical Jesus Searchers today who leans toward the eschatological teacher Jesus A lot of them are shying away from that. Anyway, the one thing that brings all these offers together is they all authored papers for the society biblical languages conference and these papers were published at the conference and they probably they didn't necessarily meet each other there, but they continued their friendships there. And it travels all over the place.

So I don't know but these are really tough Scholars. One more picture of Paul from text was catacomb Saint thecla possibly a very accurate rendering.

Every time I see these I think I really want to know Paul better and I'm actually trying to plug myself into the culture. So I think that seeing these images kind of I'm great. I'm very graphical learn every weight you can pictures sounds words. Very graphic alarm summary of the chapter. We're going through the introduction. We'll talk a little bit about it term colonizing the pastor liberating the dead translating history. What are we trying to do here changing the architecture that's about the words forming a structure. Other words that mainly is talking about our Christians and Christianity and and the thing that kind of comes in when you talk about Christians and Christianity is Jews and Judaism and in our culture, we generally think that they are not in the same group. They're separate church and synagogue. We'll talk a little bit about necklace to you. I did not go into a long teaching on congregation and assembly and Hebrew which is a big thing for me real quick. Eklesia. ties to either a. In the Hebrew, which is a congregation or alcohol, which is an assembly so actually see it actually fits both. He's only talking Hebrew, so I didn't I didn't go into depth on that address that briefly he didn't talk about it. Never goes wrecklesseating.

is that a thought never went with ecosia so synagogue and okay, so that was you know that the one the one thing that I really appreciate when I when I look at these words is at the sea they sang this song and that's the first time a die is used in reference to the congregation identified congregation. So

and then and then when you when you go forward to Moses.

striking The Rock God tells Moses to call together the congregation in Hebrew. And so Moses calls together the call the assembly and if you if you wash the interplay of the words to Hall and he does and here you could you could you could get from it that Moses could no longer see the unity, but God saw in the people. He no longer could lead them in the way. God was asking him too. And it was a it was a time for a change in leadership. It isn't just a sin that kept him from going into the land. There had to be a change in leadership. Moses was called by God to draw together. A vast number of people from a wide range of backgrounds into a call in and build them into an Eda and when when at the end of his ministry, the next task is to take this unified assembly which Moses can no longer see the unity of it and disperse it across the land to spread it out Moses. It was an opposite tasking. For the chief executive officer so to speak.

God brings leaders in to do tasks at certain times and when the mission changes the leadership almost has to change. So I think there's a lot more than that too much on that Rob. Nevermind. Okay, then I have a blank slide called Faith Community religion and it's just a blank slide because they talked about this very much. In detail and I think the I think this is something that is important that relates to what they're talkin about. And then on carrying on one's own hermeneutical burden is the final conclusion introduction. He writes in the introduction that several terms have been asked to retire. Paula Fredrickson has requested several terms to retire. I downloaded a copy of her paper ported it cleaned it up to a reasonable PDF and posted it on the website if you're interested in reading it.

These words are asked for it's hard to leave room for new words and expressions to help us better grasp for a sensory ideas. Second point that he makes in the introduction is the religiously authoritative texts are problematic for historical subjects studies if we're if we're thinking of Paul in terms of

women should be silent in church or circumcision is nothing and special days or nothing in special Foods or nothing If we think that's what Paul is saying the works of the law are dead if we think we understand what he's saying we might have it not correct. I have a question. We're going to be spending some time on the term works of the law and I wondered how many of you would like a separate session on just that. It's covered in the book, but I'm thinking about doing a separate session just on the works of the law is a hot to run think about it. I'll ask you again. play a question here about

he is there or like you said that? I think I think that if I'm if I'm thinking that if a fly understanding my religiously authoritative text says that Paul converted to Christianity. And and rejected is Judaism.

And I interpret Paul based on that understanding and I could go on and on and on about this kind of stuff. If I'm interpreting Paul based on that understanding I may not understand what's going on here. And so there are a lot of Scholars weighing in that you can't put that on Pole.

Are problematic for historical studies? If you if you take the authoritative text and you interpret the Bible based on an authoritative text? You may not understand what the Bible saying.

Maybe it's better said looking at a car tape texts are hard for studiers. People who actually consider those texts authoritative. It's hard for him to look at them objectively. Because you're still so important because we're setting a makes it hard for the text because it's hard for them to study the test objectively because they are religious scholar jacket because they're not in trench. They don't need

From which they start and then they apply it to the scripture. And then I think I agree with what you're saying.

Respect its teaching. So we don't have a distance there that you might apply. I think they both actually apply. I think there's a

Historically, this was another.

And got Traditions changing. Yeah.

When we went to Israel in in 2006, I think for the Jerusalem School 25th anniversary. They had just discovered the pool of Siloam. But the pool is salamat been there forever. I mean people knew where the pool is slum was in my bad. I wanted to see the porcelain with the real pool as long as it's the old and the new salon. They've been showing people was added to by the Byzantine but the but the scholars kept thinking this thing was added to by the byzantines. This is where it was the byzantines built right on top of it. Well right next door. That means literally Closer than from here to the front door of the building from the Byzantine pool of Salome to the real full of Salam. They they they found it and they found it by accident. They running a sewer line through and the back of hit a rock and they go stop work stop work. And so they started to excavate all they did is excavate down. 15 Steps and then I get the bottom three courses of five steps 15 Steps like the like the steps of a set like them if they're like the 15 Steps going up to the ladies to fit up to the altar. So 15 Steps in this event is 15 Steps on in this 15 Steps on the other side. So if this is not a small bathing thing, this is a huge place where hundreds maybe thousands of people could gather and how do they know? This is the real pool long. Will they found coins in the pool in the real full Aslam dating from about the time? 70 BC 278d accident And what happened to it? It's tilted in just filled in with Zill the water just kept coming and it kept filling in with self. There's no one to clean it out. So it's tilted. It's beautiful garden today. Great Garden. What makes it a great Garden got water coming into it. It's you know, basically so it's a beautiful I got to see it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There was a Arab they're letting you send and and yes, may I help you? I was in Saudi, so I'm comfortable talking to her and I know that I have to be friendly and establish a relationship before you and what you want and so are the beautiful day. How are you? How's your family?

And and so weak we got along and he said so so why are you here instead? I want to see the pool as long we want to see the salon. This is the Byzantine. That's what I want to see over there. And he says, oh no, this is a pool.

Kind of back and forth back and forth back and forth turned out he'd written a book. I offered to buy his book and then he decided that you know, he would be able to let us know so you opened up the gate. We went into the pool of Siloam. And I thought I was so grateful that I was there at that time, but that good good.

Didn't know it didn't exist. What what what we did see we was so so you can go out of the pool as long as you go down and there's a Roman Road. So they found the Roman Street that led up to the the thing that goes all the way up to the Temple Mount and so we we we stood on that street we touch those columns where Jesus must have walked absolutely walked We Touch The Columns, we walked on the stones, but it was only a small part excavated. And then yeah, yeah. Yeah I have but I have airfare next time I go first class I make it back before then. Anyway, I think both the boat who is willing to do this in our next week. I think we have to be I think we have to be I don't know. I don't know.

Can we get closer? I think I think by trying we can get closer to the true text. We may not be able to reach it, but we can get closer than we could if we were for locked into this text.

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Jewish Christianity or whatever you want to call and I found something similar to words that kind of odds with what I had been going to try to change me with all kinds of and What was interesting to me? They were? the higher the level of Education the more in French

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never do that.

Including the Bible the Bible talks of what they said.

But the thing that keeps me grounded is very things that they give no Credence to that was the experiential aspect of relationship. We give Credence to the dump in the size was a very thing that keeps you grounded when you feel like letting you know because I felt

The people that have become involved in the hebraic perspective of the Bible how it's presented. It should not be presented in mind where it doesn't bring forth because you can do it where it can be done in a respectful and you find matter we start with me.

And it was even greater, but it depends on the people that study.

It's always.

Like they're realizing that may conflict with something that they already had three.

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Yeah, loopy told me absolutely not allowed to mess with her pull-up Ian's messing with Philippians. I'm wrong. It doesn't matter the truth the truth don't mess with my Philippians. Another another term 3 that has three terms as to retire religiously 4th to text in politics of translation.

You don't think we have politics translation at work working were littered with it. Some of the more recent study Bibles will in the footnote note that they know this is no longer than the correct understanding. However, because Of all of the years of tradition they're going to honor this particular words another another another case and point. His phone was showing me a job as Witness Bible 1 day. And in the in the introduction to preface it says that they realize that Jehovah is not the correct pronunciation, but they're so entrenched with this that they're not going to change it. It says that race in the yeah. So this is particularly true as we try to describe understand Jewish Christianity and my initial slide, I wrote and the early church and I go wait a minute. I just did it. I called it at the church.

Get a clue Rob pawlak fredrickson's words. She had four of that. She wanted to exercise from our vocabulary. If you do if you read the paper that she wrote These are the four conversion. We are so prone to say Paul was converted to Christianity and he renounced his evil Judaism that day, you know, I mean, that's the kind of a text that we kind of play out Crystal stendhal another great scholar in 1976 Swedish.

I mean, he's he's world-class. Definitely. He said Paul was called he didn't it's not a conversion. It was a calling. Sao Paulo agrees with Tim and apparently Andrews agrees with him second term. She thinks needs exercise is nationalism in everything everything to do with nationalism. We read the New Testament often as if

Paul was a nationalistic Jew and then he became a nationalist to Christian and he renounced his nationalism to to the Judea Jewish Nation. That's absolutely not true. But enter paper sheets. She says that in Antiquity the Gods. Nation call that ran in the blood of the people. We don't we don't have this today. We've lost this reality that was very much a part of the first century. If you were from this area. You were born of the god that area and you owed allegiance to the god of that area and changing allegiance to God's territorial God's was tanama to heresy in any region you can you can read many many stories in the Bible. Easy one that comes to mind is a Samsung. And they gone and the false gods. So this idea of of nationalism Paul wasn't for claiming pronouncing your citizenship with with the tribe that you were in he was proclaiming that God the god of the Jews is the God of all mankind. He's cheese Not just the god of the Jews and you don't have to renounce your citizenship. Loopy was reading an article on.

I'm in Ortiz and immigrants right now. So you can't you can't visit Lupe's family without hearing about the wall and all the rest of the stuff for sister sent me a really cute picture was a solution to the Deep Freeze problem that were in right now. If it was just build this wall across the Canadian border and shows the weather pattern without the wall. There you go nationalism the idea of nationalism. She want to get rid of a common spider.

No, you can't go any further. I believe in the other guy.

We're up. We're going to get we're going to get to that we're getting we're going to get to that we're going to get to that here. I think if we don't get to it there then then then then I feel ridiculous such I think I can pronounce that means the legitimate religion. So this is a term that call and Anders once wants to get rid of a nose because when Christianity quote Judaism religion in Rome And over time Judaism lost its legitimacy in Rome and Christianity became the legitimate religion and the stamp of approval by the state this idea that this is the religion that needs to go away. She thinks it's a problem for me because it sets a distinction between Christianity and Judaism where one is good in the other is evil sort of me the last term monotheism. She said we should do away with the term monotheism. That's because of the ancient world all the gods existed.

So this is one of those.

I don't want to let this go there's only one got you know, this is my this is my only one God.

Yeah, but God God placed judgment against all the gods of Egypt. And territorial God still played a big role in in the in the history of Israel.

Monotheism is problematic for Christians because most of my Jewish friends think I'm a polytheist.

And I've met Christians who I think actually are polytheist. They this one guy was insisting that his prayer prayer practice. He had adopted a prayer practice so that he would give equal preference to each of the godhead Father Son and Holy Spirit in the Sky.

my uncle's about recently converted to study the very much, but they're very queer and how they How late is address for the term the term the term causes a lot of problems?

If you're saying there are no other gods. Then then you have a problem because there are all the way through the Bible.

Okay. So now we have now we have a problem with Daniel that Daniel has this this Vision any prayers praise for clarification and the angel of previously came to him like that. And now he says it took him 23 days. I think if I remember correctly because he was wrestling with his wrestling with the prince of Babylon. So now we have a Godly Angel wrestling with a human being or spiritual force and then we have a fusions where we battle against powers and principalities among the gods.

drives is only have to have power because

So you can in the same people. So you're saying this is what I believe and I'm not going to listen to anyone else you're saying here is that I don't believe that this is this other thing that I believe I'm not going to listen to anybody else and

call Frederickson fredrickson's just saying this term is a problem in the ancient culture because all the gods existed in ancient culture. We may have a different understanding of what is so-called. Imaginary possibly God but the battle the battle the battle in the Old Testament. You could say one guy is arguing with gets another guy and they're both Sing My God Is Bigger Than your god? What was Abraham his God really was bigger than a

If it's late, so there's a there's a third belief.

It's probably Spirits as discussion term if it causes.

I don't think my uncle are very careful to give you this one guy. He said he said in his prayers.

One guy I was talking to he said in his prayers. He has a timer. And so he prays to God the Father for certain. Of time, and he does not want to give God the Father more time than he gives to God the son and God the Holy Spirit. Can I have a picture? I don't know. Anyway, that's Paula Frederick's questions good.

Translating history colonizing the pastor liberating the death. Well, I think we don't we're not connected to what colonization actually means anymore. We've kind of lost a feeling for it. So I wanted to to to give you some clarity. He uses it fairly Loosely in his book and he goes into depth on it, but I wanted to come up with something that's easy to understand and grab a hold of and then we can talk about it colonization is that this is a Wikipedia definition. I make no apology. It's actually pretty good. This one's actually pretty good colonization is the method of absorbing assimilating foreign peoples into a culture that's destroying any remnant of the cultures that might threaten the Imperial territory or authority over the long term. Colonizing the past were saying we have more Authority. Over understanding what the past is then it actually had itself.

And that's a strong statement and I realize that's a strong statement and I thought I need to I need to find a better a better connection with this. So I did a little bit of reading and I found out that at the time of America's Colonial. 1775, roughly. Only a quarter of the immigrants came here for free. So we had convicts we had slaves. We had indentured service servants and we had something else but only 25% are registered as free people. So we think of American freedom, but there wasn't a lot of freedom in colonial America. So I found a quote. This is an actual quote from history to give us an idea of colonialism. No, principal or whatever to be tolerated or acted upon that does not proceed on the basis of India being considered as a temporary residence for the Great British establishment for the good government of the country upon steady and uniform principles and of a large British Factory for the beneficial management of its trade upon rules applicable to State and manners of the country. So what do we know about Indians hear? Nothing? What do we know about? We know the Brits are in control. They have colonized it was existing.

and if we keep going we're going to have another battle like

well, I'm no longer cuddly. I liberated the

this is the chairman of the East India Company. I thought that is a really good quote.

So I'm a visual guy. I am very visual very visual. Can anyone tell me what this painting and the oil and the painter is Leonardo Da Vinci? It's a beautiful painting. Yes.

Today we have scientists. Today, we have scientist who try to restore these paintings. If you don't restore these works of art don't rot still don't crumble away. They have to be restored. How do you restore them to restore them the way you think they should look because of the way you're used to sing it or do you restore them the way they were originally painted? And so we have we have scientists to examine the pigments the chemicals on this painting and they have fairly good confidence. What does that actually look like when Leonardo da Vinci painted it? Give me a big joke. Which Mona Lisa do we like? No, this is a digital restoration of what it probably look like to Leonardo DaVinci.

Any of you been to Rome? You probably seen how I got one more thing first translate history colonizing to pass liberating the dead any new understanding requires conscious effort to consider something on its own and disentangle what we encounter from The Familiar that we know. Yeah, how can we do that? And it didn't now so there's nothing you can do what you got to do something and how do you get away from this necessary? but realizing that's what we do may help us to not do it as intensely and as confidently as dropped the other in our in it, right, right. Right. So he writes we need to D familiarize ourselves with the phenomena we seek to understand if you really want understand it. You have to be familiarize yourself with what you know about it and look at it on its own merits. And refused to let some of your concept control and categorize what we encounter. I think now we're going to Rome. Yes. You've been here yet quesadilla, if you been in Rome, this is the this is this is a section from the tightest. This is called the spoils fries or whatever you want to call it. It's proof that the Romans took the menorah cetera to Tyrone and the gold from the temple according to anyone's best understanding. Financed funded provided the money for the building of the Colosseum.

So we look at the Coliseum and we looked and we marveled at wonderful it is but we don't realize that it was paid for by these types of things. So people go ahead.

Silver trumpets at the time and some scientists have gone in and taken taken very very small samples of their of the stone and they've determined what the original pigments were. They found some flights. They found the original original pigments or just the chemicals that are left from the pigments. So the look at the the chemicals left in the pigment pigment was so then what they did is they took they took this and they made a plaster cast kind of a replica of this so that they could colorize it was just a plaster cast. And then they colorized it in the way that it was originally painted. And this is how it was originally painted. Yeah, so do we want to insist on our understanding of history or do we want to understand history in the way that it actually happened? In the way that it was actually in place this sucks.

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He's right.

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Now I'm going to have to write a nasty letter to bar.

Now I'm going to have to write a nasty letter to Bar. Tell them I'm not going to read their magazine anymore.

Is this make a point to get it? Are we guilty of this when we read the Bible? I think I think we are if we realize we're guilty of this when we read the Bible then then perhaps perhaps some perhaps it'll improve our reading. We suppose that they were like what the people in Rome or washing it. What are they supposed are on there? I don't know. I can't read it either. It's either who's marching or what the victory is over or what did what they've confiscated.

Oh, yeah, this is Greek for Facebook.

I'm sorry Latin for Facebook.

So we run to the architecture and language now we talked about it briefly an architectural space. Everything is seen understood within the space structures control Centre discussions and provide boundaries for conclusions that has anyone ever been in the building and tried to explain what either it was before or what he was going to be to someone in the space that you're in but it's not looking like either what it was or what it's going to be as anyone ever been in a situation like that other than me.

If you if you're looking at space.

Or some more picture or some historical question.

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Alright, it's hard to do the space itself defines itself in such a way that you can't get past it. You're constrained by what you see. And you're not able to see what was or what will be?

How'd you know that?

Yep.

I'm a project manager of done a lot of projects construction projects. and when when you're going through a project and you're renovating and you're tearing out walls and putting walls in and tearing out floors and putting floors in and changing everything. It's pretty Yet you have to begin to see things as they are on the drawing rather than as they are physically. best best example I have a I'm just going forward in time. I was in Saudi Arabia without a command operations center. I was renovating at the headquarters and I was given this wonderful opportunity to to give it a tour to bandar bin Faisal bin. Abdulaziz his Royal Highness major-general grandson of Abdul Aziz. Not the king not the prince just a general officer and I'm showing him through the building and and he's really big.

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My girl and my neck was it you don't have the most current, I got I got.

Not many people can beat that not many people can walk into a space and understand it and let me know that these family they're not they're not they're not they're not stupid people.

So space does that language does that? In language space Concepts built slowly over time aren't easily eliminated. We we have all these pet ideas. He's pet believe Seas pet interpretations words ideas influence the conversation. We need to discuss not only the conclusions we draw but also that we with the words were used to formulate them. If we don't if we don't if you're not careful with the words for using to formulate the questions, we're going to define the answer by the words. They're asking the question. He says this he says this many times in many ways hears these words Christianity the Christians Judaism Jews Equus e n synagogue, synagogue and generally in Christian tradition. We take June Christian Christians in Japan and we take these as distinct and appositional to one another and we also take the terms actually see you in synagogue as distinct and appositional to one another one of the authors later on in the book is writing about this these two words I believe. and up I'm looking forward to reading a chapter again. She makes the pointer. He makes the point that sometimes in our Bibles the word is Eckley Sia. But in reality the Greek word church, it's translate the church, but in reality the Greek word and synagogue. So they've translated synagogue has church because they know it's a Christian church and they translated so Pete. This is the politics of translation. I'm going to put my understanding of the text on the text and not have it read what it really should say. How much is a 18:20.

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What is an argument on whether that's the right man? You're a symptom of Novel. I think you are proving the point you're saying that the most Translator Google read mask made it even existed yet and use a specific word. Everybody's brain in the last, you know, how ever made

jerk when you could have easily translated Alycia a different way.

context so I don't often do this, but I felt they had to

I don't have to pick up your phone.

So he goes through he goes through a little bit of discussion Iglesias. He says he says it's often translate in church. Yes also translated other things but this is what it is according to his understanding. It's a democratic like Greek or Roman group. It's a Jewish public institution. So what's the difference between that so Democratic would be like send it. Or like at an organizational or governmental agency? We're all of the people present present have a say has no religious overtones in Greek or Roman history Jewish public institution. The public institution might be for any purpose for building up the streets or taking care of the widows, or for any purpose does not be religious Jewish voluntary Association of voluntary. They may be gathered together for one purpose or another similar to a public institutions different and it can be specific or nonspecific and he makes the point that none of these uses uses are exclusively religious. Like the term church is generally taken to mean something exclusively religious, but it doesn't mean something exclusively religious in the Bible saying earlier. Sometimes ex Alycia comes in Alexander Hall. But actually see it does not go for a. Okay.

From the New Testament. Yes call which retailer takes as a Bluetooth speaker.

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So whenever I get confused about this like, okay, what's the word? What are the routes Seneca gate? So go go get a Go-Go Dog is it has to do with the flowing? Like if you want to get the blood flowing again. It's a medical term for some of something else flowing. So send a go gate would be flowing together. Can you get your mind right dreaming together? like

receive that will will touch more on necklace. See you later on and I'll spend some time in the lxx verifying translation.

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I bet they're using synagogue.

I guess I'm going to

okay. moving right along

yeah, right when you think you have it you don't.

God does that a lot?

Continuing with the same architect change the architect for the conversation while we're at the transport an ancient message to our time. We are really filling vessels with meeting. So the flow meaning goes from us to the text rather than from the text to us. Our task is in context to make the ancient not necessarily modern sense. So you have to put it into your own culture, but your goal is not to make it your own culture preeminent. Your goal is to understand it as it was written first.

And then apply it to your own culture. significant

understand you take the text under table. not Daytona today

How do I take that?

Ben always easy

but part of it part of the problem here is When we use these terms, why is he suggested to retirement when we use these terms and fill them with meeting what it's it's doing is our minds creating continuity comfortable for with me. You know what it's not accurate.

To me is turning out exactly how much Burger in recognizing that is obscuring what's going on there?

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When I hope that helps people better understand that I better understand we would talk about anytime other ones always live in the big thing doesn't happen. Your life is your head and everyone who leaves.

Dinner later, that will be true.

I was going to say this is not easy to exercise.

Reorienting the way you taught is Justin. No, it's not.

At least you can talk to yourself.

This is the way we live in the real world may or may not be the weather in your papers. You start calling it early Jesus movement.

I think the big deal. I think the really really big deal is isn't isn't within the culture that we live in. The big deal is intersecting with other cultures. Where where were were were when were using the wrong terms were causing. Confusion. We shouldn't be causing it would be I'll give it I'll give you I'll give you an example. So again while we were in Saudi shortly after we arrived there the house church was no longer meeting at this family because they they've gone to another another job. And so okay I can meet at my house. So the House Church met at my house. And so we had in the leader from operation mobilization. Significant man operation mobilization did ready radio Transmissions to Arab countries without going into the countries and they also provided support for tentmakers going into the countries and informing Christian communities within the country's been. So the leader of operationalization came to my house and he was talking to a large group of us there and he was trying to instruct us. He said in this country. Do not tell anyone that you are a Christian. Because it doesn't communicate what you think it communicates. What what you're communicating here is if you say I'm a Christian what you're really communicating is my grandfather killed your grandfather in the first chance. I going to get I'm going to kill you. It has nothing to do with being a follower of Jesus to you believe to be anointed and the Messiah the king the the the the coming King who will come to the ruling and rain and judge the world. Now, you can say I follow the teachings of Jesus the Messiah who I believe is the Lord and Savior and king of the world and they don't have the same issue. As if I say I'm a Christian so that the terms can be problematic as you cross cultures. And I think if we could communicate more clearly as we cross cultures. Maybe maybe we would have more. to agree on and more to discuss about then then if then if we don't talk in about something he is Theological structures and then going back to the store. Contact as if your bases were replaced and most of his followers when I knew what I was saying, but it replaced Christian Christian. Followers of Jesus is usually how I talk about with used to be called the paper, but I don't think you're helpful to call Trudy really can bang that much right in the stock room and ask them to get it. That was the question that they kept they were being asked to do you get it? Because it's so cool to be a whole lot of people to whom Paul is dealing and that's a great reason to use. the terms

and I don't know I hang around a lot of 25 year olds

if you want on the splendiferous used to shut start talking about

so if you take out the word Christian, but you put in the concept that you believe in any way the earrings are open. They had word that a politically divisive as well as personally and I don't like that.

This is real important to them and they wouldn't in one way it did. How they see themselves almost like Crusader. If you want to give you a call when I was annoyed. I was in a work group with a Chinese Communist and a nominal Catholic. And the Chinese Communist was very interested in learning from me. What what I believed about God. And he was really trying to figure out how I could put that kind of credibility on something when she considered imaginary and and and he was he would ask what what kind of a Christian are you working on that kind of stuff and he asked the Catholic guy? What kind of a Christian are you and the Catholics said? Oh, I'm certainly a Christian, but I'm not going to do anything about it. Which kind of tells you what kind of a Christian is Victory of Chinese Communist after we've been talking for months now we are about to leave for the for the semester and he said I think I finally understand what your God is to you. And I said, oh I'd be interested in hearing that and I really would be interested and he said in in or where I'm from our God is the Premier but I want you and I go yeah, that's a pretty good understanding.

Alpha of how important my God is but my God is more important than that. But I wasn't putting it in terms that he would have been confused by try to get it down to terms that communicate. What what? Between two cultures done a lot of Intercultural work. So I I kind of I want some gifted at it, but I've been challenged by it and it's taught me a lot about what's really true. And what's really important anyway? Did we finish this whole slide? with that song.

I wanted to make this really simple. So I decided I'd bring it a quote from Gordon. See this is this has been said in probably every Seminary ever but Gordon fee and Douglas Stuart put it fairly simply here. On this one thing you must be agreement a text cannot mean what it never meant for to put that in a positive way. The true meaning of the biblical texts for us is what God originally intended it to mean when it was first spoken. This is the starting point. Now that there's a criticism of this that the text can beans something but it didn't originally me.

If you put it together with other texts. But seeing Stewart said this is starting point. This is where you have to start if you don't start to hear you're starting on the wrong ground, and I agree. and in the in the gray area. Cuz you know the prophecy of the virgin.

Is that time? You know, it probably meant some young woman somewhere near there within a hundred years or so from that time and also took on.

Prophecy complicates the question. I'll leave it at that.

I want to take with being sick and I don't even spend much time. I'm trying to slow down so I can but if you don't even know what you want to take it.

So I like this quote from fee and Stuart and the thing that the thing that rang to me was this is the starting point. This this is where it has the beginning may not be the end point but this is where it has to begin and that that quote. This is the starting points order rang through this chapter for me. This is the starting point. So I thought that's that's really good, He mentions the Christian East Moe's is nowhere to be found in the Bible and we might save us that well the closest you can come to understanding is you Dice. Judaism its use twice in the Bible only twice those times and Galatians cristianismos Christianity. Judaism is nowhere found in the New Testament Cristiano's Christian occurs. Three times will talk about them individually. The reason this is an issue is these are those things that are usually seen as distinct and appositional. and perhaps that shouldn't be