Type 5 -- Enneagram

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A Word on Love...
ESV29 Jesus answered, “The most important is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ 31 The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”The aid of the Enneagram

We begin our consideration of the nine types of the Enneagram with Type 5 — “THE INVESTIGATOR”

A few descriptors of 5’s: reflect God’s wisdom; often are the smartest people in the room. Perceive, Observe, Collect, and Think.
Need of a 5 — security
When Healthy:

Healthy Fives have a long view of things. They manage an appropriate balance between participation and observation, engaging with others comfortably and demonstrating true neutrality. These Fives are likely to have depth in knowledge in several areas of their lives, and they willingly share their findings with others. They live in a world of abundance, seeing themselves as part of the whole environment instead of separate from everyone and everything.

When Average:

Average Fives hold to a scarcity mentality, which leads to hoarding time, space and affection. They feel more at home observing rather than participating in the external world, and thinking substitutes for feeling. Fives in this space tend to rely on themselves rather than faith, and they carefully measure how much time they spend with others. They struggle with anything that makes them feel incompetent or incapable.

When Unhealthy:

Unhealthy Fives don’t want to depend on anyone for anything. They have a defensive personality that is preoccupied with security, independence and privacy. These Fives are trapped in believing there is not enough and often express that way of thinking with judgment, cynicism and sarcasm. When they do participate in family or social gatherings, they stay separate from others.

Five’s Deadly Sin: Greed

Typically we think of it as a greedy craving for money or material gain, but in Enneagram-speak it refers more to the Five’s need to retain, a desire to clench and protect what little they already have rather than a desire to acquire more. Afraid there won’t be enough, Fives pare down their needs and hoard the barest essentials to ensure they can maintain a self-sufficient existence now and in the future. For Fives this not only includes withholding their many resources but their time, energy, physical space, personal information, solitude and privacy as well. Fives value autonomy and self-containment, so they stockpile these things because they never want to be put in a position where they have to depend on others to take care of them. The idea of losing their independence and self-reliance terrifies them. Needless to say, Fives are reluctant to share their prized necessities with others.

Five’s excessive desire for acquiring knowledge, information, ideas, conceptual models, expertise, interesting facts and understanding for how things work. Fives look to knowledge to provide them with what most people find through relationships, such as love, comfort and support.

The Road Back to You: An Enneagram Journey to Self-Discovery All About Fours or RomanticsIt’s no surprise that envy is the deadly sin of Fours. They envy the normalcy, happiness and sense of comfort with which others seem to move through life. They instantly spot who has a more interesting life, a happier family or childhood story, a better job, superior taste, a more privileged education, more distinguishing clothes or unrivaled artistic talent. This envy, coupled with their pervasive sense of “irredeemable deficiency,” launches Fours on a never-ending quest to find the missing piece without which they never feel at home in the world. Sadly, by fixating on what’s missing, Fours are blind to what’s present in their lives, namely the many wonderful qualities they already possess.
Five’s At Work

what Fives need most at work is predictability. If Fives know what demands will be placed on them every day, they’ll know how to wisely apportion their inner resources so they’ll make it home without running out of gas.

Fives don’t like meetings. If they have no choice but to attend one, they will want to know precisely when it begins and ends, who else will be there, and what the agenda is going to be. When a meeting is finished Fives are eager to go,

Fives would rather you give them a project, tell them when it’s due, and allow them to accomplish it however and wherever they choose. Many of the traditional rewards for excellence at work aren’t primary motivators for Fives, who aren’t typically materialistic and aren’t always angling, like Threes can be, for a promotion or a raise. If you want to recognize and reward Fives for a job well done, give them more autonomy. Independence is what they crave, even when they’re working on a team. They are generally impatient with group decisions because they don’t like long discussions or having to listen to people free-associate ideas.

The Spiritual Life of a 5:

When it comes to spiritual work, Fives have an advantage over the rest of us. They don’t cling to their ego with as tight a grip. Their love for solitude makes them natural contemplatives. They are attracted to simplicity, forming fewer attachments to worldly things and letting go more readily when they do. People of other numbers who are on the road to spiritual transformation might envy the Five’s inner calm and detachment.

When they exaggerate it, however,

The Road Back to You: An Enneagram Journey to Self-Discovery Ten Paths to Transformation for FoursThey must learn how to regulate and stabilize their emotions. It’s hard at first, but Fours must figure out how to observe and detach from their feelings rather than exaggerate them, wallow in them or act them out impulsively.

It makes them cold, aloof and relationally unavailable—observers rather than participants in life.

To mature spiritually, Fives will need to learn this pattern of detaching in order to engage.

Fives who seek to be free of their default patterns should recognize how often their actions are driven by fear. Like Sixes and Sevens, Fives’ deadly sin is fear, and they’re motivated by a desire for security. Aware that they have limited resources, they wonder how much information, how much affection, how much energy, how much privacy, how much money, how much anything they can afford to give away and how much they should conserve for themselves.

How different would Fives’ lives be if they embraced a mindset of abundance? This mentality says that when we give, we receive. This is the algebra of the gospel. What if Fives trusted that there was more than enough to go around in life, so they could give more away?

Relating to and with an 5:

• Be clear with Fives about what you need and want, but don’t be demanding.

• Be aware that Fives don’t always pick up on innuendo and indirect suggestion in conversation.

• Be forthright and direct with Fives, but don’t use too many words.

• If you have a problem with a Five, agree on a time to discuss it. Give the Five time to think about your concern and then limit the length of the conversation. Good language would be, “I want to tell you what I want and then you can tell me whether you can give it to me.”

• If you’re in a relationship with a Five, don’t push them to socialize with other people. That has to come naturally for them; they don’t do well when pushed.

• Fives have trouble finding their place in what is already happening. You can help by saying, for example, “Would you like to sit with us? We have an extra chair.” Follow that with an introduction like, “Hey, everyone, this is Tom. We work together.”

• If you ask a Five what they feel, they will tell you what they think. You will have to be persistent to move a conversation to the feeling level.

• Incompetence and inadequacy are central to the Five’s fear. There is probably never an appropriate time to discuss either one lightly.

• It is very important for Fives to know what is expected of them. They like details.

• Fives have a strong desire to live life so that they never have to depend on someone else to take care of them. If they are in a position where they need your care, offer it with as few words and as little fanfare as possible.

Our Model 5 in the Bible: Thomas
John 11:1–16 ESV
1 Now a certain man was ill, Lazarus of Bethany, the village of Mary and her sister Martha. 2 It was Mary who anointed the Lord with ointment and wiped his feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was ill. 3 So the sisters sent to him, saying, “Lord, he whom you love is ill.” 4 But when Jesus heard it he said, “This illness does not lead to death. It is for the glory of God, so that the Son of God may be glorified through it.” 5 Now Jesus loved Martha and her sister and Lazarus. 6 So, when he heard that Lazarus was ill, he stayed two days longer in the place where he was. 7 Then after this he said to the disciples, “Let us go to Judea again.” 8 The disciples said to him, “Rabbi, the Jews were just now seeking to stone you, and are you going there again?” 9 Jesus answered, “Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world. 10 But if anyone walks in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him.” 11 After saying these things, he said to them, “Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep, but I go to awaken him.” 12 The disciples said to him, “Lord, if he has fallen asleep, he will recover.” 13 Now Jesus had spoken of his death, but they thought that he meant taking rest in sleep. 14 Then Jesus told them plainly, “Lazarus has died, 15 and for your sake I am glad that I was not there, so that you may believe. But let us go to him.” 16 So Thomas, called the Twin, said to his fellow disciples, “Let us also go, that we may die with him.”
Our Model 4 in the Bible: Joseph
the disciples remind Jesus that traveling back to Judea and Bethany is a move into enemy territory — that the Jews there were “seeking to stone” him.
Jesus engages the conversation around the faith, confidence and “belief” of the disciples. 11.14b-15 Jesus clarifies what he wants his disciples to believe...
AS THE TOPIC OF FAITH, CONFIDENCE, AND BELIEF EMERGES ON THIS LAST TURN IN JOHN’S GOSPEL TOWARD JERUSALEM… ENTER OUR MODEL 5… THOMAS!
The statement “Let us also go, that we may die with him,” is offered by Thomas.
It is likely best understood as Thomas summarizing the thoughts of his “fellow disciples” — this being the only time in the NT that such a phrase occurs.
Listed in Matthew, Mark, and Luke in the lists of disciples… John gives no such list. In the synoptics, Thomas only appears in the lists… but here in John’s gospel, Thomas’ faith journey is a model for all 5’s and all who follow Jesus.
Thomas is doing what 5’s are prone to do… he is calculating thru the lens of security and stability — if he goes back and we go back and the stones come out… there’s more of us than there are of him… gonna be lots of stone throwers… all are bad aim-ers… “If he goes back and dies, I guess we are going to go back and die with him.”
Of course, we all have to “take up our cross and follow Jesus.” ()
Not only does Jesus not die, neither do the disciples, and Lazarus is restored to life.
John 14:1–18 ESV
1 “Let not your hearts be troubled. Believe in God; believe also in me. 2 In my Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also. 4 And you know the way to where I am going.” 5 Thomas said to him, “Lord, we do not know where you are going. How can we know the way?” 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you do know him and have seen him.” 8 Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” 9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else believe on account of the works themselves. 12 “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I am going to the Father. 13 Whatever you ask in my name, this I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it. 15 “If you love me, you will keep my commandments. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, 17 even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you. 18 “I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.
John 14:1–6 ESV
1 “Let not your hearts be troubled. Believe in God; believe also in me. 2 In my Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also. 4 And you know the way to where I am going.” 5 Thomas said to him, “Lord, we do not know where you are going. How can we know the way?” 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
One of the great strengths and challenges of being carrying some 5-ness is the powerful tendency to hear and understand things literally — primarily through the lens of resources.
John is highlighting the journey to faith in Jesus powerfully and poignantly through Jesus ongoing conversation about faith with his disciples… and here we have our Model 5 front and center again — leading up to one of the most famous statements of Jesus. (14.6)
To Thomas, vs 1-4, Jesus is talking in code… speaking with spiritual flowers/insights that were not computing.
Jesus connects “where” and “way.”
Thomas, speaking again for and with all his fellow disciples, says, “No we don’t. We don’t know the where. AND, we don’t know the way.”
This statement/question from Thomas — which is one a 5 would absolutely ask — evokes a precise statement of faith from Jesus as Jesus ties where and way together with a restating of 14.1 in 14.6 — Trust in God, trust in me… I am the way, truth, life — no one comes to the father but by me.
Now to the double forte from the crescendo of our model 5 — Thomas… all his concerns about the scarcity of life, wisdom, information, clarity, smarts, resources, time… they are about to arrested by the abundance of the nearness and power of the Kingdom of God.
John 20:19–29 ESV
19 On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being locked where the disciples were for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.” 20 When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. 21 Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I am sending you.” 22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.” 24 Now Thomas, one of the twelve, called the Twin, was not with them when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord.” But he said to them, “Unless I see in his hands the mark of the nails, and place my finger into the mark of the nails, and place my hand into his side, I will never believe.” 26 Eight days later, his disciples were inside again, and Thomas was with them. Although the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you.” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side. Do not disbelieve, but believe.” 28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
John 20.19-2
Things which made Joseph “Special”:Oldest Son of RachelMost loved of all of Jacob’s sons by JacobFamily Hall MonitorColorful RobeDream of SheavesDream of Sun, Moon, StarsBorn and living in this huge family and he continues to seek and succeed at bringing distinction to himself — “In the midst of all of you, I am most special.”
His brothers hated this part of him… sold him into slavery.
In slavery, our Model 4 stayed on task as one who needed and wanted to be special.Of all the slaves, he stood out and got the best slave job.He stood out so much, he became a desired by his boss’ wife.Which landed him in jail… where he stood out as
ESV6 Now Joseph was governor over the land. He was the one who sold to all the people of the land. And Joseph’s brothers came and bowed themselves before him with their faces to the ground. 7 Joseph saw his brothers and recognized them, but he treated them like strangers and spoke roughly to them. “Where do you come from?” he said. They said, “From the land of Canaan, to buy food.” 8 And Joseph recognized his brothers, but they did not recognize him.
John 20:19–25 ESV
19 On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being locked where the disciples were for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.” 20 When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. 21 Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I am sending you.” 22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.” 24 Now Thomas, one of the twelve, called the Twin, was not with them when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord.” But he said to them, “Unless I see in his hands the mark of the nails, and place my finger into the mark of the nails, and place my hand into his side, I will never believe.”
ESV18 On the third day Joseph said to them, “Do this and you will live, for I fear God: 19 if you are honest men, let one of your brothers remain confined where you are in custody, and let the rest go and carry grain for the famine of your households, 20 and bring your youngest brother to me. So your words will be verified, and you shall not die.” And they did so. 21 Then they said to one another, “In truth we are guilty concerning our brother, in that we saw the distress of his soul, when he begged us and we did not listen. That is why this distress has come upon us.” 22 And Reuben answered them, “Did I not tell you not to sin against the boy? But you did not listen. So now there comes a reckoning for his blood.” 23 They did not know that Joseph understood them, for there was an interpreter between them. 24 Then he turned away from them and wept. And he returned to them and spoke to them. And he took Simeon from them and bound him before their eyes. 25 And Joseph gave orders to fill their bags with grain, and to replace every man’s money in his sack, and to give them provisions for the journey. This was done for them.
ESV1 Then Joseph could not control himself before all those who stood by him. He cried, “Make everyone go out from me.” So no one stayed with him when Joseph made himself known to his brothers. 2 And he wept aloud, so that the Egyptians heard it, and the household of Pharaoh heard it. 3 And Joseph said to his brothers, “I am Joseph! Is my father still alive?” But his brothers could not answer him, for they were dismayed at his presence. 4 So Joseph said to his brothers, “Come near to me, please.” And they came near. And he said, “I am your brother, Joseph, whom you sold into Egypt. 5 And now do not be distressed or angry with yourselves because you sold me here, for God sent me before you to preserve life.
John 19:
Our Model 4 — who all he wanted to be was to stand out — matures and becomes more rooted in the Lord… where now, he longs for the unique and special aspects of his life to be set squarely within the family he once tried to distance himself from… set himself above.

Perhaps the most important passage in Joseph’s story about the maturing of his 4-ness:

Thomas has reverted back in full force to his 5-ness. When his fellow disciples tell him of the resurrection he digs in full force: Unless I see… place… I will NEVER believe.”
Jospeh had bought all of the land of egypt and gave it to pharoah. Set up a plan for working the land into the future. The people were willing because of their gratitude to Joseph...
Here is the description I offered earlier of unhealthy 5’s:
English Standard Version Chapter 4727 Thus Israel settled in the land of Egypt, in the land of Goshen. And they gained possessions in it, and were fruitful and multiplied greatly. 28 And Jacob lived in the land of Egypt seventeen years. So the days of Jacob, the years of his life, were 147 years.
Unhealthy Fives don’t want to depend on anyone for anything. They have a defensive personality that is preoccupied with security, independence and privacy. These Fives are trapped in believing there is not enough and often express that way of thinking with judgment, cynicism and sarcasm. When they do participate in family or social gatherings, they stay separate from others.
Jacob passed… Joseph and his brothers buried him with Abraham and Sarah, Isaac and Rebekah, and Leah...His brothers fear, after their father’s death, that the old Number 4 will emerge… setting himself apart… but he doesn’t!
Jesus leaves him like that for a week… detached from the group — a 5’s greatest nightmare.
ESV15 When Joseph’s brothers saw that their father was dead, they said, “It may be that Joseph will hate us and pay us back for all the evil that we did to him.” 16 So they sent a message to Joseph, saying, “Your father gave this command before he died: 17 ‘Say to Joseph, “Please forgive the transgression of your brothers and their sin, because they did evil to you.” ’ And now, please forgive the transgression of the servants of the God of your father.” Joseph wept when they spoke to him. 18 His brothers also came and fell down before him and said, “Behold, we are your servants.” 19 But Joseph said to them, “Do not fear, for am I in the place of God? 20 As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good, to bring it about that many people should be kept alive, as they are today. 21 So do not fear; I will provide for you and your little ones.” Thus he comforted them and spoke kindly to them.
I believe Thomas wants to believe over that week… but he can’t find a WAY to make it all make sense.
John 20:26–29 ESV
26 Eight days later, his disciples were inside again, and Thomas was with them. Although the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you.” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side. Do not disbelieve, but believe.” 28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
John 20:
“My Lord and My God.”
Thomas attached to the Lord… attached to his fellow disciples… walking the journey that we all walk — and especially the 5’s — of considering and embracing the abundance of resources, promises, power, presence, securities, and stabilities of life in the unshakable Kingdom of God.
He became a witness for Jesus, it is believed, in India. Where he was martyred for his faith and witness… “Let us go… that we may die with him.”
A Word from The Word for 5’s:
1 Corinthians 1:18–31 ESV
18 For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart.” 20 Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. 22 For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. 26 For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. 27 But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; 28 God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, 29 so that no human being might boast in the presence of God. 30 And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption, 31 so that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.”
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