Ecc Notes Week 3

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Thoughts

Ultimately God is sovereign over our times. What would it mean for us to accept that and live a life of faithful (trustful) dependance on him with our time?
We want control or think we have control — but we don’t, he does
‘everything is beautiful’ in its time — God’s ability to redeem?
The reason? — so that we will stand in awe of God, that is to fear him, to worship him.

Meeting Notes

The time poem speaks to ‘futility’
Temporal and eternity
we get eternity
the question whether it is heaven or hell

Text

Poem of TIME contrasted with ETERNITY (v. 13) and FOREVER (V. 14)
He has made everything appropriate in its time (Ecc 3:11)

Themes

Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs 7. On Time and the World (3:1–15b)

Life is composed of joy and sorrow, building and destroying, and living and dying. Each comes at the proper time. This reminds us that we are creatures of time and not yet able to partake of the joys of eternity. No one can be happy who has not come to grips with the reality that life is full of changes and sorrows as well as continuity and joy. We must accept that we are mortal and governed by time.

He put eternity into our hearts, and eternity enter into time
the eternal one entered into time (the terminal)

Carpe Diem

Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs Contemporary Significance

Qohelet’s philosophy is also to some extent that all mortal beings should “seize the day.” It is indeed the appropriate response to the reality of the “times” that are beyond our control, but lie in the hands of God, that we should cease to worry overly much about how things are going to work out and concentrate on living joyfully in the moment that is currently given to us: “I know that there is nothing better for men than to be happy and do good while they live. That everyone may eat and drink, and find satisfaction in all his toil—this is the gift of God” (3:12–13).

Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs Contemporary Significance

We are indeed to seize the day, but we are to remember its divinely created nature as we do so. The biblical carpe diem, then, is not a self-centered response to the uncertainties surrounding life after death, but a worshipful response to the God of creation, who is also the God of new creation and resurrection.

Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs Contemporary Significance

Whatever we do as Christians—even if it involves refraining from things—should be done out of joyful response to the God of extravagant blessing and grace, as we live now the abundant life that is also the life that stretches away into eternity (John 4:14; 5:24; 10:10).

Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs Contemporary Significance

We cannot truly understand or control “the times,” and so we are cast back on God, who holds our times in his hands and alone knows the span of our individual days. Yet the God on whom we are cast is good, and he is for us (Rom. 8:31). Our response to his grace and blessing should be to seize the time that we have and live it well and joyfully to his glory and praise.

Acts 17:26–27 (CSB)
26 From one man he has made every nationality to live over the whole earth and has determined their appointed times and the boundaries of where they live. 27 He did this so that they might seek God, and perhaps they might reach out and find him, though he is not far from each one of us.

Make the best use of your time

Ephesians 5:15–21 (CSB)
15 Pay careful attention, then, to how you walk—not as unwise people but as wise—16 making the most of the time, because the days are evil.
17 So don’t be foolish, but understand what the Lord’s will is.
18 And don’t get drunk with wine, which leads to reckless living, but be filled by the Spirit:
19 speaking to one another in psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs, singing and making music with your heart to the Lord, 20 giving thanks always for everything to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, 21 submitting to one another in the fear of Christ.

Ecc 3:11

Ecclesiastes 3:11 (CSB)
11 He has made everything appropriate (Beautiful, attractive) in its time. He has also put eternity in their hearts, but no one can discover the work God has done from beginning to end.
Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs (7. On Time and the World (3:1–15b))
“Beautiful” here means “appropriate.” If we can accept life as it is, even the hard parts will be bearable. Yet there is a catch. We feel like aliens in the world of time and yearn to be part of eternity.72 We feel the need for ourselves and our work to be eternal and yet are grieved to be trapped in time. We also desire to understand our place in the universe against the backdrop of eternity. But we cannot find out what God has done from beginning to end. That is, we are not able to discern any plan or pattern to all of this. God’s purposes are outside our realm of control or investigation. We thus have a sense of alienation and bewilderment in time.

that God has made everything beautiful in its time. The problem is that God has also placed eternity (that is, a sense that life continues beyond this present existence) into man’s heart, yet so that he cannot find out what God has done from the beginning to the end.

Word Biblical Commentary, Volume 23A: Ecclesiastes (Explanation)
These are all God’s times, and Qoheleth has no quarrel with them in themselves: they are all “appropriate” in the divine plan. But the divinity has played a desperate trick upon humanity, placing that mysterious הָעֹלָם, “duration,” “world,” in human hearts so that they can make no sense out of God’s work. That is a fantastic statement of divine sabotage.
Comment:
The sense I’m getting here is that we experience time and there is an appropriate time for everything under the sun
Yet there is this burdening sense that there must be more — something a temporal
a longing for eternity
ILL? — the quest to live longer and longer through medical intervention.
Possibly introduction.

Ecc 3:15c

The obscurity of v 15b (see note 15.a.) remains a problem, but the words seem to be complementary to v 15a: nothing escapes the dominion of God, who has everything within the divine purview. God will seek out “what is pursued,” i.e., the events of the past. There is a certain similarity of structure with v 14b. Both parts speak of divine action in the face of unchangeability (v 14) and repetition (v 15).

Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs 7. On Time and the World (3:1–15b)

Verse 15c, although formally part of this paragraph, proleptically prepares the reader for the subject of the next section, oppression. It should, therefore, be regarded as part of the following paragraph for purposes of interpretation.

For translation we suggest “God requests that we pursue what is hidden.”

Recognizing that this translation is uncertain, a footnote will be required to indicate that the text is unclear.

Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs Life in the Context of the Creator (3:9–15)

The phrase here is literally “he will seek [bqš] what has been chased away” (cf. Isa. 17:13, of water chased before the wind like chaff). The imagery is perhaps drawn from shepherding, God seeking out the “lost” moments of past time in the manner of the human seeking lost animals (cf. bqš in 1 Sam. 9:3; 10:2, 14; Ezek. 34:6, 16). It is not explicit in Ecclesiastes 3:15 itself, but it is certainly implied by 3:1–15 as a whole passage and by what follows in 3:16–22 (see below) that this divine “seeking” is effective and that it is quite unlike the human seeking after time that is referred to in 3:9–11, which results in not “finding” anything (mṣʾ; cf. the play on these same verbs in 7:23–29). Echoing in the background are other cases of bqš / mṣʾ used in combination, particularly those in verses that speak of seeking and not finding (e.g., Isa. 41:12; Hos. 5:6). That God “seeks the past” in order to settle accounts is also clear from what follows in Ecclesiastes 3:16–22, although this too is not explicit in 3:15 of itself.

Be Satisfied Chapter Four: Time and Toil (Ecclesiastes 3)

Solomon added a new thought here: “and God will call the past to account” (v. 15, NIV). Scholars have a difficult time agreeing on the translation of this phrase. It literally says “God seeks what hurries along.” Solomon seems to say that time goes by swiftly and gets away from us; but God keeps track of it and will, at the end of time, call into account what we have done with time (12:14). This ties in with verses 16–17 where Solomon witnessed the injustices of his day and wondered why divine judgment was delayed.

Quotes

Be Satisfied Chapter Four: Time and Toil (Ecclesiastes 3)

The Puritan pastor Thomas Watson said, “Eternity to the godly is a day that has no sunset; eternity to the wicked is a night that has no sunrise.”

Appointing Times

Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs Bridging Contexts

The New Testament picks up the theme. At the appointed time Jesus came among humankind, announcing the kingdom of God and dying for our sins (e.g., Mark 1:15; Rom. 5:6; Gal. 4:4–5). He reminded all his hearers of the succession of times still to come—the appointed times in which the various aspects of God’s plans will be carried through: the death of Jesus (e.g., Matt. 9:15; 26:18; John 13:1), the witness or the apostasy of his disciples (e.g., Matt. 10:19; 24:10, 23–25; John 16:32), the second appearing of the Son of Man (e.g., Matt. 24:30), and divine judgment and salvation (e.g., Matt. 8:29; 13:30). That he possesses knowledge of the times, which marks him out from all his fellow human beings, is unsurprising when it is realized that the triune God is Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last (Rev. 1:8; 21:6; 22:13), and Jesus the very center of human time, as the apostles clearly understood (e.g., Acts 3:21; 1 Cor. 4:5; 2 Tim. 1:9; Titus 1:2).

Commentary

Weirsbe

Be Satisfied Chapter Four: Time and Toil (Ecclesiastes 3)

The inference is plain: if we cooperate with God’s timing, life will not be meaningless. Everything will be “beautiful in His time” (v. 11), even the most difficult experiences of life. Most of these statements are easy to understand, so we will examine only those that may need special explanation.

Be Satisfied (Chapter Four: Time and Toil (Ecclesiastes 3))
We may foolishly hasten our death, but we cannot prevent it when our time comes, unless God so wills it (Isa. 38). “All the days ordained for me were written in Your book” (Ps. 139:16 , NIV).
Be Satisfied Chapter Four: Time and Toil (Ecclesiastes 3)

If you wanted to hurt an enemy, you filled up his field with stones (2 Kings 3:19, 25). People also gathered stones for building walls and houses. Stones are neither good nor bad; it all depends on what you do with them. If your enemy fills your land with rocks, don’t throw them back. Build something out of them!

Be Satisfied Chapter Four: Time and Toil (Ecclesiastes 3)

If you wanted to hurt an enemy, you filled up his field with stones (2 Kings 3:19, 25). People also gathered stones for building walls and houses. Stones are neither good nor bad; it all depends on what you do with them. If your enemy fills your land with rocks, don’t throw them back. Build something out of them!

Is it all worth it?

Be Satisfied Chapter Four: Time and Toil (Ecclesiastes 3)

First, man’s life is a gift from God (v. 10).

Be Satisfied Chapter Four: Time and Toil (Ecclesiastes 3)

Second, man’s life is linked to eternity.

Be Satisfied Chapter Four: Time and Toil (Ecclesiastes 3)

Third, man’s life can be enjoyable now (vv. 12–14)

Scriptures

Romans 8:28–30 (CSB)
28 We know that all things work together for the good of those who love God, who are called according to his purpose. 29 For those he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, so that he would be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30 And those he predestined, he also called; and those he called, he also justified; and those he justified, he also glorified.
Psalm 31:14–15 (CSB)
14 But I trust in you, Lord; I say, “You are my God.” 15 The course of my life is in your power; rescue me from the power of my enemies and from my persecutors.
Romans 11:33–36 (CSB)
33 Oh, the depth of the riches and the wisdom and the knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments and untraceable his ways! 34 For who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor? 35 And who has ever given to God, that he should be repaid? 36 For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be the glory forever. Amen.
Ephesians 5:15–21 (CSB)
15 Pay careful attention, then, to how you walk—not as unwise people but as wise—16 making the most of the time, because the days are evil. 17 So don’t be foolish, but understand what the Lord’s will is. 18 And don’t get drunk with wine, which leads to reckless living, but be filled by the Spirit: 19 speaking to one another in psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs, singing and making music with your heart to the Lord, 20 giving thanks always for everything to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, 21 submitting to one another in the fear of Christ.
Ephesians 4:17 CSB
17 Therefore, I say this and testify in the Lord: You should no longer walk as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their thoughts.
Psalm 139:16 CSB
16 Your eyes saw me when I was formless; all my days were written in your book and planned before a single one of them began.
Acts 17:26–30 (CSB)
26 From one man he has made every nationality to live over the whole earth and has determined their appointed times and the boundaries of where they live. 27 He did this so that they might seek God, and perhaps they might reach out and find him, though he is not far from each one of us. 28 For in him we live and move and have our being, as even some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also his offspring.’ 29 Since, then, we are God’s offspring, we shouldn’t think that the divine nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image fashioned by human art and imagination. 30 “Therefore, having overlooked the times of ignorance, God now commands all people everywhere to repent,
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