Jude 8

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Jude 8

8 In the same way these people—relying on their dreams—defile their flesh, reject authority, and slander glorious ones.

Christian Standard Bible. (2020). (Jud 8). Nashville, TN: Holman Bible Publishers.
8 (v. 8) Teachers, False—Dreams—Thoughts, Evil: false teachers are filthy dreamers who defile their body. This means two things.
Leadership Ministries Worldwide. (1996). 1 Peter–Jude (p. 382). Chattanooga, TN: Leadership Ministries Worldwide.
The Letters of 2 Peter and Jude B. Body Proper: Proof for the Thematic Statement (vv. 5–16)

In the very same way” refers back to the previous verses (Jude 5–7) and indicates that what these folk do is of the same order as what Israel, the fallen angels, and Sodom and Gomorrah did.

1 Peter–Jude (King James Version) Division II: The Warnings against Apostasy: The Characteristics and Judgment of False Teachers, vv. 3–16

1. It means that false teachers engage in the pleasures of the world: the lust of the eyes and the lust of the flesh. They do not struggle to keep their thoughts clean and pure. They dream and covet after the positions, possessions, and things of the world. They look at the opposite sex, perhaps pornographic books, films, and bodies not dressed as much as they should be. The result is thoughts and dreams of success, grandeur, personal recognition and honor, and sexual misbehavior. False teachers defile the flesh through such dreams.

1 Peter–Jude (King James Version) Division II: The Warnings against Apostasy: The Characteristics and Judgment of False Teachers, vv. 3–16

2. It means that the false teachers sometimes claim to have visions and dreams from the Lord that are not from Him. They use their visions and dreams to secure the following and loyalty of people.

relying on their dreams

Their dreams may be those of prophecy; these false teachers being also false prophets (2 Pet. 2:1), who support their evil doctrines by pretended revelations; cf. Deut. 13:1, 3, 5.

2 Peter 2:1 CSB
There were indeed false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, and will bring swift destruction on themselves.
Deuteronomy 13:1–5 CSB
“If a prophet or someone who has dreams arises among you and proclaims a sign or wonder to you, and that sign or wonder he has promised you comes about, but he says, ‘Let’s follow other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let’s worship them,’ do not listen to that prophet’s words or to that dreamer. For the Lord your God is testing you to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and all your soul. You must follow the Lord your God and fear him. You must keep his commands and listen to him; you must worship him and remain faithful to him. That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he has urged rebellion against the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the place of slavery, to turn you from the way the Lord your God has commanded you to walk. You must purge the evil from you.
Deuteronomy 18:15–22 CSB
“The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers. You must listen to him. This is what you requested from the Lord your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly when you said, ‘Let us not continue to hear the voice of the Lord our God or see this great fire any longer, so that we will not die!’ Then the Lord said to me, ‘They have spoken well. I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. I will hold accountable whoever does not listen to my words that he speaks in my name. But the prophet who presumes to speak a message in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods—that prophet must die.’ You may say to yourself, ‘How can we recognize a message the Lord has not spoken?’ When a prophet speaks in the Lord’s name, and the message does not come true or is not fulfilled, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.
Many false prophets will say God showed them a dream, and when that dream does not come to pass
Relying on their dreams of false prophesy results in three things
Defile their flesh
Reject Authority
Slander Glorious one
The Letters of 2 Peter and Jude B. Body Proper: Proof for the Thematic Statement (vv. 5–16)

Jude accuses these people of acting on the basis of their personal revelation and engaging in three sinful activities: (1) polluting their own bodies, (2) rejecting authority, and (3) slandering celestial beings. Two of these have already appeared in the examples previously cited. Both Israel in the wilderness and the fallen angels had rejected authority; both the fallen angels and the men of Sodom and Gomorrah had polluted their own bodies. It is the third charge that leads the discussion forward to the following verse. However, all three expressions are worthy of closer examination.

Defiling the flesh - refers to being dead to decency
( Character precedes spiritual leadership, not the other way around)
Reject Authority
2 Peter and Jude: An Introduction and Commentary d. The Analogies of Judgment Applied (8–10)

It is possible to apply kyriotēta to human authority, either the civil power, the church leaders, or authority in general. Any would make excellent sense here, but in view of what Jude has to say about their denial of the lordship of Jesus (v. 4), it seems best to take the word in the same sense here. The heretics, like the Israelites, the fallen angels, and the Sodomites, were essentially turning their back on (atheteō, reject, is a very deliberate word) the Lord, though this may have found expression in civil or ecclesiastical insubordination. These men were anti-law, a common state of affairs when people follow their own lusts and exult in their own knowledge.

Slander Glorious Ones
The Letters of 2 Peter and Jude B. Body Proper: Proof for the Thematic Statement (vv. 5–16)

This is the most likely meaning, especially since angels will be referred to in the next verse; it is also how Clement of Alexandria interpreted this passage.

The Letters of 2 Peter and Jude B. Body Proper: Proof for the Thematic Statement (vv. 5–16)

The fact is that “slander” (blasphēmeō) does not mean “to deny the existence of” but rather “to shame” or “to speak insultingly about.” It was thus a form of shaming or dishonoring, and in a society like Jude’s that was based on honor and shame, this was appropriate for evil beings; indeed, to honor such beings would be wrong. Thus there is nothing in the verse itself that would make one think that the reference is to evil angels (on the following verse, see below).

The Letters of 2 Peter and Jude (B. Body Proper: Proof for the Thematic Statement (vv. 5–16))
we can understand why Jude would be concerned about the slander of God’s angelic messengers. While this was not the usual problem in the church (Col 2:18; Rev 19:10; 22:8 all witness to the problem of worshiping angels, quite the opposite to what is going on here), if one were, as Jude claims, flouting the moral authority of Christ/God, then it would not be surprising to find them flouting the authority of angels, who were often pictured as enforcing the moral rule of Christ/God, including that expressed in the law.Bauckham suggests that Paul may indeed be the background of this slandering of angels. Given that Paul spoke of the law’s association with angels as being part of its lesser status( Gal 3:19)
Gal 1:8
, that he associated both angels and the law with “the basic principles of the world” (NIV; “elemental spirits of the world,” NRSV) to which his readers had once been enslaved (Rom 8:33–39; Gal 4:3, 9; Col 2:8–23), one could easily see how some of Paul’s readers might have overlooked his positive statements about the law (e.g., Rom 7:12) and associated both the law and its angelic mediators entirely with the slavery from which they had been freed.
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