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Be Satisfied Chapter Nine: What about the Wicked? (Ecclesiastes 8)

Beginning with Nimrod (Gen. 10:8–9) and continuing over the centuries through Pharaoh, Sennacherib, Nebuchadnezzar, Darius, the Caesars, and the latest petty dictator, millions of good people have been oppressed in one way or another by bad rulers. The Jews often suffered at the hands of foreign oppressors, and Solomon himself had been guilty of putting his own people under a heavy yoke of bondage (1 Kings 4:7–28; 12:1ff).

Be Satisfied Chapter Nine: What about the Wicked? (Ecclesiastes 8)

Keep in mind that Eastern rulers in that day held the power of life and death in their hands and often used that power capriciously. They were not elected by the people nor were they answerable to them. Some leaders ruled as benevolent dictators, but for the most part rulers in the ancient East were tyrannical despots who permitted nothing to stand in the way of fulfilling their desires.

Be Satisfied Chapter Nine: What about the Wicked? (Ecclesiastes 8)

. Until Jesus Christ sets up His righteous kingdom, there will always be injustices in our world. It is one of the “vanities” of life, and we must accept it without becoming pessimistic or cynical.

Be Satisfied Chapter Nine: What about the Wicked? (Ecclesiastes 8)

For the fourth time, Solomon told his congregation to enjoy life and delight in the fruit of their labors (v. 15; see 2:24; 3:12–15; and 5:18–20). Remember, this admonition is not the foolish “eat, drink, and be merry” philosophy of the unbelieving hedonist. Rather, it is the positive “faith outlook” of God’s children who accept life as God’s special gift and know that He gives us “all things richly to enjoy” (1 Tim. 6:17).

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In 8:1, however, the tone is more optimistic: some attainment of wisdom is possible and has real advantages.

Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs (26. Transition (8:7–8))
The injustice and sorrows of life force us to come to terms with the powers that govern us.
On the human level this is the king (8:2–6),
but on the higher level this is God (8:9–9:1).
These verses are thus transitional between the two.
The future is an enigma (v. 7), and the power that confronts us is irresistible
(v. 8a, b, c: “wind” represents the power of God;
“discharged192 in time of war” exemplifies the power of the king;
“death” is ultimately in the power of God but is also in the king’s hands).
Verse 8d should be translated “but wickedness will not deliver its master.” That is, no amount of cunning can save one from control by the governing powers.194???
Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs 27. On Theodicy (8:9–9:1)

This affirmation of faith in God’s justice is remarkable in that it is made without presenting any supporting evidence; it is merely asserted that because of their impiety, the wicked will not enjoy a prolonged life. It is a word of faith in the face of apparently contradictory evidence.

Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs 27. On Theodicy (8:9–9:1)

From this consideration of injustice in the world, the Teacher now draws three conclusions: (1) people should enjoy the good things life offers and not waste themselves in vexation over the problem of evil (v. 15), (2) God has deliberately made life unpredictable in order to thwart human efforts to master and control it (vv. 16–17), and (3) God is showing us that all things are in his hands and not ours (9:1)

Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs 27. On Theodicy (8:9–9:1)

Unending vexation over this problem is pointless.

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Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs (Original Meaning)
So what can the proverb of 8:1b mean? To what does it truly refer? The material that follows suggests that Qohelet interprets it to refer to behavior at the royal court, where a glowering countenance will do no good and may bring great personal danger. It is wise not to show one’s disapproval of, or disagreement with, a despotic monarch. The proverb now speaks of things as they should be made to appear rather than as they actually are.

The implication of this instruction, however, and the assumption of the verses that follow are that there will be occasions when the wise man will not approve of the king’s command and be tempted to ask: “What are you doing?” (v. 4).

Taken together the verses should then be read as advocating withdrawal from the royal court rather than opposing the king, which may involve the uttering of an oath by way of indicating the seriousness of the opposition

The Masoretic text as it stands, however, takes a different view of the oath, clearly understanding it as providing the reason, or perhaps even an additional reason over and above the pragmatics of the matter (a desire for self-preservation), why the king should be obeyed: “Obey the king’s command, (especially) because of the oath of God.”

An oath of loyalty sworn to the king before God by the wise man himself could be in mind, or perhaps an oath sworn to the king by God, guaranteeing the king’s rule. Mortal rule, and especially Davidic rule over Israel, is commonly regarded in the Bible as legitimated by God, and rebellion against the king is closely associated with rebellion against God, as in Proverbs 24:21–22:

Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs (Original Meaning)
The difference between the two interpretations lies in the role of the oath.
In both cases, however, it is clear that the wise person is advised to disguise his true feelings while in the king’s presence, for “a king’s word is supreme” (v. 4).
The theme of power, especially expressed in Hebrew šlṭ (“supreme” [v. 4]; “power” [2× in v. 8]; “lords it over” [v. 9]), is indeed prominent throughout the passage. It may be true that wisdom makes one wise man more powerful than ten rulers (Heb. šalliṭim, 7:19), but the truly wise person knows not to flaunt his wisdom when confronted by a foolish ruler, for there is a serious risk of “harm” if he does so (v. 5).

The deliberate twofold use of Heb. šlṭ (NIV “power”) in verse 8, however, which reminds us of the “supreme” word of the king in verse 4, already makes us think of the king in particular—the one who appears to be completely in control when in reality he is not. It is the king’s word that has the potential for harm or evil (raʿ) in verses 3 and 5 and that creates misery (raʿa) in verse 6. Yet verse 8 suggests that wickedness (rešaʿ) ends up possessing its possessor.

Thoughts

Man these verses are crazy.
It seems to be saying:
Who is like the wise person?
consider the official in the kings court — the wise man (think Joseph)
His first duty is to obey the king
for he swore an oath before god.
In cases where you disagree (8:4)
Either:
don’t be in a hurry to leave the kings presence, stay as long as desired
OR
don’t be in a hurry (don’t be dismayed, anxious), just leave as soon as you can.
Don’t stand up for a bad cause (don’t tarry in a bad situation), don’t give bad advice — for he is going to do what he wants.
Since, the Kings word is supreme — he has authority
no one can say to him “what are you doing”
as in disrespect — for if you do that harm will come
Rather the one who keeps the command of the king
will suffer no harm.
and wisdom actually teaches and knows the right time and right way to go about things (discernment)
b/c there is a right time and way for everything (ecc 3:1-2)
even though it is tough, it is hard it is weighty
b/c we don’t know how it is going to turn out, how the decision will turn out, that is the king’s command.
it may be a good plan that turns out bad
it may be a bad plan that turns out good
or vice versa
We cannot know
But what is good to know is this:
Real Power / Real Authority only belongs to God (8:8)
Only God has authority over the wind
only God has authority over death
only the king can discharge during battle
no one can overcome wickedness — only God

Words

Peser — Interpretation

Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs (Original Meaning)
The word pešer is frequently found in the Qumran literature regarding the interpretation of hidden meanings in biblical texts. Equivalent or cognate forms appear in Genesis 40–41 and in Daniel of the interpretation of dreams.

The implication of this instruction, however, and the assumption of the verses that follow are that there will be occasions when the wise man will not approve of the king’s command and be tempted to ask: “What are you doing?” (v. 4).

Verses

Ecclesiastes 8:2 CSB
2 Keep the king’s command because of your oath made before God.
Ecclesiastes 8:3 (CSB)
3 Do not be in a hurry; leave his presence, and don’t persist in a bad cause, since he will do whatever he wants.

Excess Notes

Matthew 13:30 (CSB)
30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At harvest time I’ll tell the reapers: Gather the weeds first and tie them in bundles to burn them, but collect the wheat in my barn.’ ”
Matthew 13:36–43 (CSB)
36 Then he left the crowds and went into the house. His disciples approached him and said, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field.” 37 He replied, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man; 38 the field is the world; and the good seed—these are the children of the kingdom. The weeds are the children of the evil one, 39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels. 40 Therefore, just as the weeds are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will gather from his kingdom all who cause sin and those guilty of lawlessness. 42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in their Father’s kingdom. Let anyone who has ears listen.
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