Conflict in the Church

I mean, they're throwing Tables Ladders and Chairs. crazy But we're going to talk about conflict in the church. Things that we don't really like talking about going into and I don't know if you ever been at leadership anywhere then you understand conflict in the church.

You know, we were in prayer. a dog Frank gave a phenomenal thought Basalt and it came from scripture it is his house. He's the man that finds a wife finds a good thing. And then the next scripture after that is basically to have an AUX is very profitable. Yo. But if you have an AUX, you're going to have a messy Barn.

And so if you correlate those scriptures together what you were getting it is sometimes in marriage marriage is awesome, but you're going to have a lot of poop.

So go ahead and get yourselves ready.

and isn't it also quite funny that God calls us the Bride of

Which means that there's a marriage?

And there also is an oxen the barn. which means is going to be a lot of

don't be a lot of poop. What did you learn in church today poop? Yeah. 09 thank God for Pull-Ups.

They're going to review the areas of conflict and then we're going to get into it. I need tribute who wants to be tribute.

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There is a conflict that are major is this God and man man himself man and man man in society man and nature and it finally man and the Demonic we're going to talk about man in the Demonic later. But right now we're going to Man Versus Society or the fruit that he's a part of Church, not yet. No.

You will be there very soon.

What do churches fight about? Who's going to be the interactive sermon? Go ahead music.

So totally do we give to the coat on Siesta, right? Music what was the next one? Money I heard money. next appearance who said operations operations

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Yeah, you said it not me. The Deacon board. Yes. the boards what do churches fight about? Doctrine

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they fight with other Church. Yes, they do.

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Does anyone have anything else that you're just fight about? Dress code yes.

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Yeah. Does anyone have any other thing that churches fight about?

Holy Ghost You know how you can tell people apart from that. You know, how if they say holy ghost or Holy Spirit? That's how you can tell the difference.

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How many sick are you guys?

Are we good? They would have anything else?

What do churches fight about? Let me think. Is there something else? Everything. Thank you Maria.

I've been a pastor for going on four years, right? I'm going to 4 years, right? Cuz I thought it was a youth pastor than an internship for like 8 to 9 months and now a pastor and guess what I have seen everything on that list in 4 years.

I've seen people fight over music. You know the biggest fight with music.

in contemporary

and God forbid if we get more Multicultural and add some gospel in.

and if we get in Hispanic groups and singing Hispanic to

And I've seen music fights. I've seen fights with worship leaders. fights between worship leaders and elders not yet. My screw MicroCell, Maisy.

This stuff is real man. What's real story? This is what a group that says. Listen, is it real storm? I give it to you. This guy. He was in the church. He was a pastor and he said I don't like the fact that my grandchildren will never seen some of the Christian songs, I grew up singing.

He was upset about it. So the men will the pastor left the church and got into a traditional church that win against the doctrine that they believe just for the sake of tradition.

churches fight over event money It's like a big one in it. What are the complaints of money in the church? Where does Splendid where do you spend the rent tell you where we spend it at? I'm getting a Porsche.

Coffee guess what to spend the money on. Churches fight about inside the house what to spend the money on. Where is the money going to go here? Should he go there and then they fight. They fight over the appearance.

Good morning, but you know what?

If we listen, I'm glad to bring her act like this because do you know, this is what happens in churches?

Are you over carpet? Let's form a committee. So we can have teams of carpeted arguments.

Argue with operation operated this way, but you're used to them operate operating another way. And so you start fighting about the operation because it doesn't fit what you're familiar with.

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big fight about operation if I'd known what to do goes to operation. What do you what do we do what we do?

Who do who do we love will this love this group know this group needs Love More. Oh, yeah, but you know the worst thing going into a church or a community of Believers and it's like being back in high school. You got the jocks. You got the Nerds you got the cheerleaders and then you got these drug addicts. So we had to put this in church format. I want to call the drug addicts and charismatic.

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Perfect. And then we got King James Book of Joshua King James Oles.

The worshippers they just want to worship. There's more to the Bible besides worship. Did you get in and then on top of that you get into a church, and there's place there's clicks based on families. There's clicks based on what Doctrine stands do you take more and before you know it we we have divisions among ourselves. We fight over the pastor. I've seen. Call me to this church. The pastor is God called me out of this church.

Before the pastures where they like him or don't like him whether he's too loud when he preaches are too quiet when he preaches. too charismatic

You know, they call that a liturgical teaching a likes on the little more, liturgical and they argue argue in split.

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come on. Yeah, where you sprinkle to where you don't like a donut? How about we have sprinkled Donuts?

Donut go for it. We have it all churches fight over these things. where to go down the road You know, that church is rock music, but we actually have a rockstar.

You got flashing lights, but we got fog machines. This is kind of an oar or it's we don't do none of that we sing hymns. We take pride. Not if his people putting what we can do to try to get people.

We said the core like what it looks like inside the building. you know, I remembered someone left because I put those Glory things had a prophetic first and paint them and see can we put these on and you were left because of the glory things I did was I stupid. You didn't like it. Just don't look at it.

Please broadcast a forever when I get another painting.

Yeah. Mitsubishi of the things that turns his fight over like interpretation of the Bible do. I've seen it and IV inspired version

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We fight over by was in politics.

Are you democrat or republican? Are you conservative or liberal? And we fight and we fight and we Nick pit and we fight.

No, you don't because I think about this is all this is going on in the church. How can we be peacemakers? How can we be children of God blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the harder than you guys ready for this open up the can we open up a can of Holy Ghost

So whoop Arthur Holy Ghost, didn't I? Dog gone I gave it away.

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No. No. Thank you.

Good, man. Listen to this James 4:1 through 8, dude. There's nothing new Under the Sun if we're dealing it with it today. They dealt with it yesterday. Listen to this what is the cause of your conflict and quarrels with each other doesn't the battle begin inside of you as you fight to have your own way and fulfill your own.

I don't care if you have the King James read it.

That's what it says, man. Stalking these letters were sent to the church. They weren't stuck to the unbelieving world.

They were passed around the churches Paul wrote this.

Let's move on and goes on you jealously want what others have so you begin to see yourself is better than others uski with envy and harm and harm others to sell the chains what you crave. That's why your quarrel you crawl in fight and all the time you don't attain what you want because you won't ask God for

could you imagine the pastor came in like and just said you guys all selfish self-centered? Get mad when we you don't know me, you don't know my life.

The Bible says it.

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We like to say it's our opinion. But really can we be honest most of the things we want is our preference.

I got to do a worshiping God like dude. I don't care if Nick goes off for another 10 minutes during worship be led by the spirit.

Oh.

British dude came to me came to my office real story. No one here.

Change my office. Pastor. Talk to you. When are you coming to?

What you hear me clear pastor.

I remember. Church was over at 11:45 and I was at home. You can my pot roast. At 12:15. Church close to 12:15. And the pot roast is waiting.

And I said I said, but people got saved today. He's like 12:15. I looked at me good I said bro, you like football and he's like, yeah I can put about when it goes in the overtime. So that's the best I said, how come you're not excited over time?

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He looked at me rolled his eyes and laughing then eventually laugh.

What in the world have we become?

We're no different than the Country Club.

What do we gather together? But you don't actually just imagine being in Afghanistan right now, right?

I can't imagine being against an organ in China.

Do you know the Chinese people go like hundreds of miles on foot to go to a church meeting without air conditioning?

Yeah.

What in the world has happened?

What is happening at?

And then on top of that we like to really really really really really justify it with the term called denominations.

Which I just called group division.

Cuz everything Alma Nation bring something to the table. Every listen to me I have good friends were baptism and they challenge me and I love it. I have some that are crazy charismatic.

So much for worshipping with them. They let go let go it's really cool.

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What? Where did we leave off? Tong's it's on there.

The tall girl not the tongue. That is the question. But if you want to talk in tongues go for it. If you don't okay. Bad praise God to the fullest and your ability. But we made all the things the focus and no longer God and Paul says it's straight up. He's like things like James says it straight out 50 Cent man. You guys are selfish you're seeking your own stuff and we read earlier and 1st Corinthians chapter. I mean 1st Corinthians chapter 13 love not its own. Dude, I haven't had it too many times when people say it's my way or the highway.

That's it. Will praise God there's a Highway to Heaven.

dude What Have We Become?

Give me the scripture that says yes, and if you asked you won't receive it, but you're asking with corrupt motive seeking only to the fill your own desires.

Play the list of unanswered prayers.

Are you?

fighting with inner self

Let's look again. You have become spiritual adulterers are having an affair and Unholy relationship with the world. Don't you know that flirting with the world's value places you at odds with God whoever chooses to be the world's friend makes himself God's enemy.

Absolutely.

It was the time people use this as scripture to take it and say that's the way that's why you need to separate from people in the world. That is a misinterpretation. I'll prove it to you. Jesus said, you know my children are not as quick as the world's people. So make friends with people of the world. Jesus said that yes, you did. He was talking about you took it on the world's way of thinking and reasoning. The Bible says the wisdom of this world is for sensual. It's whatever makes me feel good. How often do we seek out there what feels good and not who is good? Just carpeting makes me feel like I'm back in the 80s.

I remember growing up in church and it was a red carpet. It's so nostalgic and comforting.

I'll just lost his leading role on it, you know.

It what makes us feel good is what we hold on to.

That's why I said he said that listen you're chasing only what makes you feel good. You're taking on the world's way of thinking and the Bible says that The Cardinal mind which is a worldly mind focused on things of the world is at war with God. Maybe the reason why there's so much conflict in the church is because the church has took on a cardinal mind.

Where in the world is this was Stephen spiritual? Call songs. We Come Holy Ghost a really Spirit Ford us.

Let me tell you this is cool story. Hanging out with these these the new age people write the new age. That means they were born yesterday. Not today. They're into all these different chance in chakras and all kind of nonsense and bright. Oh I bet it is.

I said I said listen you're in the spiritual world.

Okay, cool.

That they're just say they're a witch or warlock or whatever doesn't bother me. I'll look at them said yeah, so you're doubtful and all this time. I said you need a spirit guide.

I do guess that's why you see that light in me. I have the great spirit guide. You're like so you're throwing them all because you're not using Christian. He's you're not using Christian knees. I like the great spirit. I know him. He's my daddy. Got the black.

I'm playing with you guys.

Call my goddess. So I'm talking with them and I'm like you like so who's this guy said his name is Holy Spirit. And he's his goal is to lead and guide you in all truth.

Really? I forgot to pray for you guys. Yes.

So I pray for them. That's the God's going to get a hold of you guys. He's going to break that stuff off because the only reason why you're doing that because you got hurt in church, and you said this stuff ain't real cuz you went to something dark because you like at least it makes me feel like I'm spiritual.

I know you're saying.

Let me see a refrain it back to you. John says in the beginning was the word the word was with God and the Word was God now the Holy Ghost some people also called the spirit of Christ.

I understand what you're saying. But we're just going to go with Holy Ghost.

And we'll talk about the Trinity later. We should have wrote Trinity on that board. We should have wrote Trinity.

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These are things that we spend our lives in church fighting over in church for more than 5 years. How many people have seen some of these arguments?

Do you think that's a problem?

Why how did we get so thinking worldly? I wanted we're not fixing your eyes on Jesus.

What would happen if we fixed your eyes on Jesus during the music?

What would happen if we just fixed our mind on Jesus Through worship?

What happened?

Come on, dude. Did I confuse chilling with a bunch of people singing Dutch that I really talk choppy. Smith happened. I'm in an Amish church this really happen. They're singing and like they don't sing like this. Allison Sherman and they're singing

sugar singing and then they're born again. This is a new order. So they're born again. They're out of the old and into the new. They just look a lot like the old and they're singing and so I don't know a lick of what they're singing. So what do you think I did?

I joined in worship with them.

Come on.

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Show us catching a revelation.

Picture framing for you, you know, if that's the red carpet that I walked on the first day and turn the building man. We argue about these things man instead of it's raining if we want to fix our eyes on Jesus and what he actually says do we would have half these issues. Do I get this computer real sticky situation?

Because Dave Ramsey says you need to know where the money's going.

Yes, so that's one that we put a box around. What about appearance does anywhere in scripture? Are you sure cuz I think women need to have their head covered? Oh, okay. You don't want to go there? Okay. If you work hover, you don't it don't really stop. What happened? No, I was just joking about I think we need to have their courses was just joking. And if you don't want to cover it, that's fine, too. Because we were fixing our minds on Christ. Quit worrying about what a parent's people are looking really reason why we're more concerned about appearances is because we want to make our church look like Pepsi and if you don't look like Pepsi and you look like Sprite, I can't marking you as Pepsi. I can't manufacture. Hello. I can't manufacture what I want people that stink Christians look like

come on.

what look, look, how are you focus on God, you're you're not your focus and what people look like your focus on what people are wearing.

I don't know about you guys this I think it's half the problem, but we don't have answer lies. I don't think they would receive it to mean it says God looks at the heart of a man looks on the outward. So let's fix our eyes on him. Oh, yeah. Did you turn Skippy were worried about how people going to judge us?

Yes, it does.

The next thing that we we we argue is operations how the church should operate.

Could you imagine this with me for a moment? Imagine Peter and Paul have an argument like that never happened?

I know two things Peter had a big mouth and Paul had a temper. Can you put a big mouth in The Temper to gather? What do you think happened a temper tantrum?

Could you imagine the argument not the one they actually had about Peter not eating with gentile people. I didn't even understand that it says right in the word. We're Gentile. We're so gentle are we

Peter's like I'm not eating with them poles if you need to. Could you imagine that you're arguing about how they operate? Well Peter you need to go out to the gentile people and then Paul and then Peter says Paul said you're a Jewish person that you stated to his people.

Russell Peters building his team Falls building his team and next thing, you know Paul brings this person who's half Jewish and half Nots

it was Timothy Peters. Like how dare you bring that have to here?

You got Christ in your all little Jewish.

Houses that were routed we're back in Abraham's we've been grafted in. socialism

The argument could you imagine and then Morgan of operations? How you're doing things how they're doing and now the body wouldn't have been moving like it was back then through it been so much confusion.

The reason why churches argue over operation simply because we don't we think we can do a better.

Why do we argue over how you operate? We think we can do it better?

And instead of coming alongside.

You play drums to? I'll just perfect. Does Dean's Dad this is Dave. This is Dad.

I said it, right. It's okay.

green plays drums Can you play the drums like your dad? But you have your own little he has it on the way you can tell that right off. Couldn't you? Haha his own little way of playing. Could you imagine if your dad was a thing? Can you play like me? Stop all activity Jeopardy. Whatever Happy Feet.

Play like this one, two, three. One, two, three, you stop making a four.

And then we start arguing about how the offer how how they operate the drums or maybe play a little bit louder.

Does he? Okay, you need to operate more like me. You go at the end of the day, they won't be playing together why you have some resentment toward each other, but I think she knows how I don't ever listen. Tony only hit the symbol once

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They won't be able to operate the drum in the god-given way they each. That God has put in their hearts to do it. Hindered by each other's opinion.

The same is true on a small steel, then. It's true in a bigger scale if the church is arguing about operation.

How we operate in Biblical context? There's no said and nothing weird going on then it's mainly out of preference and opinion and it's when you exalt your preference in opinion over the love of God over over. I'm going to respect with you your own drums today. So I'm going to follow your lead you play the way God put it in you to do it. So is that a scripture that says to make me want to another man? Is that does that scripture? Oh.

So when you were so busy exalting ourselves in Pride instead of casting it down. That's where you get arguments over operations.

That's what God only works with the willing.

Let me say that again this week. Only works with the Willy. But that's not yes it is.

God doesn't violate your will. So God only works with the willing.

She willing to work with you if you're not do you want work with you in that area?

They are doing what to do what not to do who do love the pastor.

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We argue over these things and then we pray to God. Listen we go to God we praise thee O Lord are we please but really we just we don't want to make Believers. We wanted we want to make restoration nights.

Paul Was saying to Timothy imitate me. as I imitate Christ But you never told Timothy to be Paul. He told him to imitate Christ in me. The way that God is working with me imitate that and then it's going to be different how God works with you.

As long as we take on this Cardinal way of thinking we can't live in that we can't even live in love. Cuz we'll have this number for us and all this would be more than even being a mission with God may be the other reason why the church is stagnant is because they're not on Mission with God. You can't catch his vision if you're not looking at him.

Come on. I know you're good. Yeah.

Yes. Our preferences will cause us to violate the law of God. You know what your addition is just a preference practice over and over and over and then taught and passed down. tradition

Bellevue white Traditions, there's nothing. Hold on. Let me says there's nothing wrong with your additions. What you cannot exhaust Traditions over God?

Cuz that's when things will get very messy very quick. next scripture does the scripture mean nothing to you that says the spirit that God breathed into our hearts is a jealous lover who intensely desires to have more and more of us, but the poor out more and more grace upon us for it says God resist you when you are proud, but continually pours out Grace when you are humble.

Maybe the reason why.

Maybe you should have jumped on that street. You could have beat the reason why.

Churches are not packed to the brand is because God's protecting the people from you.

When can I say that again?

Maybe the reason why churches aren't full to the brim. Cuz God protecting the people on the outside from you.

The pound where did you get that from that scripture?

This is like a seldom like think about it.

The Hypocrites what they would do is they would find someone who was not yet a hypocrite.

Who say do you follow me? And not only are you going to be here for your going to be twice the devil? Call Matthew. You don't really work at we're going to be great performance together. I'll be your Supporting Cast.

Jesus said you Hypocrites you find someone you train them and make them twice as messed up as you are and you've proclaimed them as well and good.

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all these things matter more than him. He rather's had them in their junk then focused on all this stuff.

It's all about community.

Could some of the problem be done until we get our eyes on him on Christ on Jesus. All these things are going to matter so much more.

No, you can't.

Yeah. We try to make the words fit for us instead of us fit in the word.

Are we doing that with people on the outside trying to get them to sit with us instead of? Come on.

I'm going to tell you 90% of people who leave church is over selfish reasons.

Not of God is leading. You don't hear me out God's leading you follow him. but mostly because I don't really like

What Andrew said to me?

That's mainly the reason why people leave churches. I don't like what Andrew said to me was not nice. He said I need to give him hugs this way and I like giving a hug this way.

Kermit Who God resists you?

Can resist you. because of your pride

Or maybe maybe maybe maybe it's not Andrews hugs.

Maybe it's because they serve coffee and not key.

That is total discrimination is tea drinkers. I know I'm guilty.

We don't know what decaf it's

but we we make these things mean so much more and then we wonder why it feels like we're praying and nothing's happening. And these wide is the wise and God bringing Cindy War. We not going out why?

Easy to say it's because of him or there instead of looking in the mirror and say God where my missing you at.

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You can.

Jess I love what you said that anything alive is changing. Maria said from going from glory to glory what I look at the rich history of this community when it was Mapleview, dude, it went from glory to glory and then Durkin resistance of change. And then more resistance of change.

Yes. Because of that maybe if you had mini split Mini Splits Mini Splits and mini Pastor quits. Pastor will come in and say I quit and walk out.

Never once have like two or three times to three times, dude. because of exulting pride ourselves in our opinion over what God is saying he wants to do.

to God resist but he gives Grace to us if we're humble. Have your morning be humble does humble yourself in the sight of God and he'll do what? Raise you up.

Places you got to be humble though. And humble is not me. Hiding up my lists. Not seeing what's really going on in my heart.

We think that's humility and still being nice.

What do you call?

What's wrong with you? I don't know.

This is what we're going to be talking about. Next week and then in a month, I will see you guys again cuz I'm heading on this abadie keishin.

That's about to go mess with the vacation. But I want you guys to get excited about who's coming to speak. When I'm Gone When I'm Gone cover the speaker. 1 God Drake

I believe Marlene is sharing a testimony.

Play Randy in the rain or sharing something. I've been Jim. Did you guys know Jim was a Sunday school teacher? Jim is going to share he's not here right now. But Jim is Sherry Tim Schultz. I want you guys to come just continue to be the body. Because Christ is the head of it.

Katina P the body and what you guys you decided what you're going to share but when I come back we're going to keep opening up this can because if the scriptures true that there's going to be poop then we must learn how to work through it.

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Yeah, so this is what we're going to do. Next Sunday, we're diving Morgan save this list, but then we're going to really start talking about how to navigate. This is a body. If you going to do it at home, you should be able to do in here with your family.

Make sense. Unless you're sleeping on the couch every night. Then we're going to talk to you about home. Are you on the couch every night? You don't mind my off my brother and me we joke, we're both married and he says his wife says he's going to the dog house and he says white or she's going to the litter box.

I'm going to dog house to go to litter box.

so fun I'm sharing this with you guys because there's a church we have to learn how to work through it and still be still love each other and not allow things to drive us apart because of a disagreement or difference of preference in opinion because Satan will use that everyday all day.

And then you'll turn your little prayer meetings if you pity parties.

Are you gather a bunch of hurt people who lick each other wounds instead of empowering each other to walk in his his kingdom in his life.

Do you really want to go to church? Or do you really want to be the church? osprey Jesus I sent you that your word challenges us it challenges us your word challenges us in your spirit can fix us but it also empowers us and encourages us I'm asking Jesus that you would lead and guide our hearts deeper into an understanding of your truth your word and allow us to be led by your spirit to such a way to you because that's all we know how to do help us help us get over ourselves. So we can get into you. What was the linen and what you call us to live in? So we can live in you. Francis Grayson freedom to work out the Salvation that you given to us and let it permeate every area of Our Lives. Whether we're here or at home, whatever works. Allow your spirit permeate and live through is freely and your mighty name of Jesus, Amen. Well guys, hope you got appetite. We got food downstairs, and then we're going to have a family meeting after we eat some. God bless you guys. remember Church in the park next Sunday, Middlefield Mineral Lake

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