Controversial Issues 2
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Women Speaking in Church
Women Speaking in Church
2 Main verses
For God is not a God of confusion but of peace. As in all the churches of the saints, the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.
I desire then that in every place the men should pray, lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling; likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire, but with what is proper for women who profess godliness—with good works. Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control.
How does this line up with Romans 16
I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a servant of the church at Cenchreae, that you may welcome her in the Lord in a way worthy of the saints, and help her in whatever she may need from you, for she has been a patron of many and of myself as well. Greet Prisca and Aquila, my fellow workers in Christ Jesus, who risked their necks for my life, to whom not only I give thanks but all the churches of the Gentiles give thanks as well.
There are more women that he mentions through verse 15.
Verse 1, mentioning Phoebe uses the word servant. That word in greek was diakonos - the word for deacon.
one who serves, without necessarily having the office of deacon
The verse states that she was serving in the church but it does not necissarily mean that she was a teacher/preacher.
Priscilla and Aquila (Husband and Wife) explained the gospel clearer to Apollos
Now a Jew named Apollos, a native of Alexandria, came to Ephesus. He was an eloquent man, competent in the Scriptures. He had been instructed in the way of the Lord. And being fervent in spirit, he spoke and taught accurately the things concerning Jesus, though he knew only the baptism of John. He began to speak boldly in the synagogue, but when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately. And when he wished to cross to Achaia, the brothers encouraged him and wrote to the disciples to welcome him. When he arrived, he greatly helped those who through grace had believed, for he powerfully refuted the Jews in public, showing by the Scriptures that the Christ was Jesus.
Q: If priscilla was explaining the gospel to Apollos, how does that line up with women not having authority over a man?
The text says that Apollos only knew about Gods word until the baptism of John. The passages in 1 Corinthians and 1 Timothy do not prevent women from proclaiming the gospel to new believers or those who have not heard about Christ
And there was a prophetess, Anna, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was advanced in years, having lived with her husband seven years from when she was a virgin, and then as a widow until she was eighty-four. She did not depart from the temple, worshiping with fasting and prayer night and day.
Q: How does the passage above not contradict 1 Corinthians and 1 Timothy?
Again the passage does not state that she is leading in church.
The general rule was for women to submit.
Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.
Older women likewise are to be reverent in behavior, not slanderers or slaves to much wine. They are to teach what is good, and so train the young women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled.
Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned—
There is a hierarchy to what God has commanded. Children should submit to their parents, women submit to their husbands, men submit to God.
Our culture is backwards, we value a person by the amount of money they can make but we discard the nurturing and care that are needed to raise productive members of society.
We value CEO’s, Lawyers, Doctors etc. but we dont value the women, the mother that have raised those individuals.
The roles of a submissive women is only an issue in our society because our values are upside down.
Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God actually say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?” And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden, but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.’ ” But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate. Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked. And they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loincloths. And they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden. But the Lord God called to the man and said to him, “Where are you?” And he said, “I heard the sound of you in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked, and I hid myself.” He said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten of the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?” The man said, “The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me fruit of the tree, and I ate.” Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this that you have done?” The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.” The Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this, cursed are you above all livestock and above all beasts of the field; on your belly you shall go, and dust you shall eat all the days of your life. I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel.” To the woman he said, “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be contrary to your husband, but he shall rule over you.” And to Adam he said, “Because you have listened to the voice of your wife and have eaten of the tree of which I commanded you, ‘You shall not eat of it,’ cursed is the ground because of you; in pain you shall eat of it all the days of your life;
Notice above:
God commanded the man to take charge.
The serpent deceived the woman while the man stood by and did nothing. He was passive in his role and what God commanded him to do.
The woman convinced the man to take and eat the forbidden fruit as well.
The man then blamed everyone else and took no responsibility.
This same trend continues today. Men are called to lead and they neglect their calling while women are lead astray by emotions (ie the fruit looked good for food) instead of following the commandment.
Lastly, our society takes the womans role as the helper as less valuable than the man. But read this
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.
The Holy Spirit is also a helper and is under the authority of God the Son and they are both under the authority of God the Father. We know that the trinity is co equal and co eternal. None are less then the other yet the Holy Spirit is called a helper like women are called to be for men. Likewise they are not less valuable.
The power of a woman’s influence
Samson could conquor any man, what was his weakness?
He fell to Delilahs trick
Solomon, the wisest man in the world, what was his downfall?
He had 700 wives, who were princesses, and 300 concubines. And his wives turned away his heart.
A good woman can be used by God for good.
Xerxes was the persian king, he was wicked but Ester was a good woman who lead him to save the Israelites and to this day her work is celebrated by the Jew every year during Purim.
Suicide
Suicide
What is it?
Why is it wrong?
And Samson said to the young man who held him by the hand, “Let me feel the pillars on which the house rests, that I may lean against them.” Now the house was full of men and women. All the lords of the Philistines were there, and on the roof there were about 3,000 men and women, who looked on while Samson entertained. Then Samson called to the Lord and said, “O Lord God, please remember me and please strengthen me only this once, O God, that I may be avenged on the Philistines for my two eyes.” And Samson grasped the two middle pillars on which the house rested, and he leaned his weight against them, his right hand on the one and his left hand on the other. And Samson said, “Let me die with the Philistines.” Then he bowed with all his strength, and the house fell upon the lords and upon all the people who were in it. So the dead whom he killed at his death were more than those whom he had killed during his life.
Then Saul said to his armor-bearer, “Draw your sword, and thrust me through with it, lest these uncircumcised come and thrust me through, and mistreat me.” But his armor-bearer would not, for he feared greatly. Therefore Saul took his own sword and fell upon it.
And throwing down the pieces of silver into the temple, he departed, and he went and hanged himself.
Jesus -
You will seek me and you will not find me. Where I am you cannot come.”
So he said to them again, “I am going away, and you will seek me, and you will die in your sin. Where I am going, you cannot come.” So the Jews said, “Will he kill himself, since he says, ‘Where I am going, you cannot come’?”
Jesus voluntarily gave himself up.
Since God is in control of everything and Jesus is God, does that mean that God committed suicide?
What is the difference between suicide and matyrdom? How can you tell?
No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.”
For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. If I am to live in the flesh, that means fruitful labor for me. Yet which I shall choose I cannot tell. I am hard pressed between the two. My desire is to depart and be with Christ, for that is far better. But to remain in the flesh is more necessary on your account. Convinced of this, I know that I will remain and continue with you all, for your progress and joy in the faith, so that in me you may have ample cause to glory in Christ Jesus, because of my coming to you again.
Does Paul want to die?
One of the early church fathers wrote this (Ignatius letter to the Romans)
The Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary Suicide
I am writing to all the churches, and I give injunctions to all men, that I am dying willingly for God’s sake, if you do not hinder it. I beseech you, be not an unseasonable kindness to me. Permit me to be eaten by the beasts, through whom I can attain to God … I long for the beasts that are prepared for me; and I pray that they may be found prompt for me. I will even entice them to devour me promptly; … I will force them to it. Grant me this favor. I know what is expedient for me; now I am becoming a disciple … Let there come on me fire, and cross, and struggles with wild beasts, cutting, and tearing asunder, racking of bones, mangling of limbs, crushing of my whole body, cruel tortures of the devil, may I but attain to Jesus Christ!… The pains of birth are upon me. Permit me, my brethren; hinder me not from living, do not wish me to die … Permit me to receive the pure light; when I have arrived there I shall become a man … Even though when I come to you I beg you myself, do not be persuaded by me, but rather obey this which I write to you. For in the midst of life I write to you desiring death (Rom. 4–7).
Is Suicide the Unpardonable Sin?
Is Suicide the Unpardonable Sin?
“Truly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the children of man, and whatever blasphemies they utter, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”—