Can you lose your salvation?
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The early church thought that salvation was conditional based on a Christians faithfulness.
Many thought that Baptism saves and that a person had to be righteous after baptism, but if they were what then?
This is why many waited to be baptised until very late, even until just before death.
The Catholic church maintains that a baptized person is able to, with Christ’s help, what is necessary for their continued salvation.
Q: Is this accurate? Why?
Lexham Survey of Theology The Permanence of Salvation
Many Protestant traditions believe that final salvation, while unconditional on God’s side, requires the continued faithfulness of the believer, which is possible because of the Holy Spirit but is not guaranteed. While continued salvation is not tenuous or based on the believer’s works, it is possible for the believer to turn away from Christ and thereby forfeit salvation. All of these traditions believe that salvation is synergistic—that is, they believe that both God and human beings are actors in the salvation process, although God is always the initiator and humans can only respond.
Is this accurate?
This view teaches that both God and man hold a piece of the responsibility for a persons salvation.
Lexham Survey of Theology The Permanence of Salvation
The Reformed tradition, however, picking up some aspects of Augustine’s teaching, believes salvation to be monergistic—that is, God is the sole cause of salvation. Because human beings contribute nothing to the salvation process, not even a free-will response, all individuals who are chosen by God for salvation will inevitably be preserved by God until final salvation. This view, called the “perseverance of the saints,” forms the “P” of the mnemonic acronym TULIP, which is often used to teach the Reformed view of salvation. The doctrine of perseverance means that any individuals who seem to commit apostasy were never really believers at all.
All orthodox traditions agree on these points.
1. God desires to keep believers in salvation.
The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.
2. God has given believers eveything they need to be faithful
His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence,
3. Salvation is not based on works but on God’s grace.
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Traditions differ in the thought if Christians are able to reject Christ and give up or lose their salvation
You can lose your salvation
You can lose your salvation
and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
Hold fast, like its an option.
Turn to this passage and follow along
For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt. For land that has drunk the rain that often falls on it, and produces a crop useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from God. But if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed, and its end is to be burned.
Clear sign that people can fall away. Right?
For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Is this not talking about people falling away.
But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.
People who have lost their faith even leading churches.
For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.”
Sounds like people who have gone back and forth from lost to saved and then lost again.
Q: Can we conclude that you can lose your salvation?
Verse’s you cannot lose your salvation
Verse’s you cannot lose your salvation
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.
Those that belong to God cannot perish.
And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified. What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things?
Those God knew, He also predestined to be made like Christ, and those He predestined he also called and then He justified and those whom He justifies He glorifies
Knew (Past Tense)
Predestined (Past Tense)
Called (Past Tense)
Justifies (Present Tense)
Glorifies (Present Tense)
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? As it is written, “For your sake we are being killed all the day long; we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.” No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Nothing in all of creation can separate us from God. That assumes that we cannot either.
In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
A guaranteed inheritance.
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, who by God’s power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
Imperishable inheritance, cannot fade and is being guarded by God’s power
Both or in the Middle
Both or in the Middle
The saying is trustworthy, for: If we have died with him, we will also live with him; if we endure, we will also reign with him; if we deny him, he also will deny us; if we are faithless, he remains faithful— for he cannot deny himself.
Can a genuine Christian lose their salvation?
Can any person earn their salvation? Could you lose something that you never earned?
Arent the verses listed a clear contradiction in the Bible?
I do not belive so, how so? The Bible is the Holy Inspired word of God and it speaks to us in terms that are relatable, that we can understand. It will use terminology that looks like a person can lose their salvation because from our perspective they are losing it. Since we have no idea who has been actually saved we cannot say for sure, we have to use the outwardly evidence to assume the inward heart, or likewise we sometimes judge someone not saved that may be.
The book that clearly outline the answer is Romans, particularly Chapter 8. It is a detailed process/blueprint of how salvation works.
And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified. What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things?