Road Map to Maturity
1 CORINTHIANS 2:14-15
THE ROADMAP TO MATURITY
Dr. Robert G. Lee, the great of man of God, but he was never known to flinch, never known to back up or water down the Word of God. On a particular occasion he preached an excoriating message against sin. There was a lady in the church who was well, her fur was rubbed the wrong way. Ha, she did not like the message. As a matter of fact, she was angry at Dr. Lee when he finished preaching. And Dr. Lee was at the door, and she came out, and she said to him, she said, Dr. Lee, I didn’t like that sermon one little bit. He said without a pause, Madam, neither did the devil. So classify yourself. Now, that’s what I want to help you to do today, is to classify yourself. I want you, I want to help you to find out what class you’re in, what category that you’re in. This passage of Scripture mentions three categories of persons. The title of our message is this, A Roadmap to Maturity. Now in order for you to get to where you need to be, you need to know where you are. No map on earth will do you any good when you read it if you don’t know where you are. You’ll not be able to get to where you need to be. If you’re in a big building a complex of some kind, they’ll have a little map on the wall of that particular building. And generally it will have a red dot when you’re looking at the map, and it’ll say, you are here. And then you’ll say, Well, if I’m here, then I can get over there. But if don’t know where you are, that doesn’t do you any good at all. Now what I want you to do today is to find out where you are. Ant you to do what Dr. Lee told that woman to do I want you to classify yourself. Now, there are three classes or three categories of human beings in all of the world. Of all of the 5 billion people on earth, they all fall into one of three categories. Let’s see what they are.
Corinthians chapter 2 and verse 14. But the natural man. Do you see that? Underscore that phrase, the natural man. That’s one category of people. The natural people, the natural man. Okay? And then, in chapter 2 verse 15, But he that is spiritual. Underscore that. That’s the second category of people. There are natural people, and then are spiritual people. Now, skip on down to chapter 3 and verse 1. but I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal. Underscore that. That’s the third category of persons. There’s the carnal person. Three kinds of people in the world today. And I’ll promise you on the authority of the Word of God, you’re one of those three. Either you’re a natural person, you’re a spiritual person, or you are a carnal person. Now I pray God the Holy Spirit will give me the ability o to help you to categorize yourself to find out, to classify yourself, to see where you are, so you can see where you need to be. And to help you to get there, to be what I would call a mature Christian. Chapter 2 verse 6. Howbeit, we speak wisdom among them that are perfect. You see that? And the word perfect here means mature. So, what the apostle Paul is trying to do here is to help these people to become mature grown up Christians, not to be little baby Christians. let’s look at what we call the natural man. Verse 14 speaks of the natural man. Now why is he a natural man? Well, first of all, because he is born into the natural world. he just comes out of the hospital. He’s just a little natural baby, a little natural boy, a little natural girl. They’re just natural. That’s the way they are born. And because they’re natural, they just do what comes naturally. They’re not born again. They’re just born one time. They don’t have the new birth, they just have the first birth. Now, remember there’s a first birth and a second birth, and the Lord Jesus Christ told Nicodemus, A natural man, that he had to be born again. 7 Now, Governor Nelson Rockefeller was asked when Jimmy Carter said at he was born again. Somebody asked Nelson Rockefeller Have you been born again? Do you know what he said? I heard him say with my own ears. sent a chill over me when he said it. He said, I certainly can’t say that I’ve been born twice. He said, I was lucky to have been born the first time. I thought to myself, What ignorance, what ignorance. Now, you know, the apostle Paul speaks of the princes, of this world. Notice what he says here in chapter 2 verse 6. Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect, yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that will come to naught. Here’s’ one of the princes of this world who says, I can’t say I was born twice. I was lucky to have been born once. Do you know what Jesus said to man who was only once born? He said, It’d been better for that man that he had not been born. Listen, if you’re born but once, you die twice. The first death is only the natural death. But the second death is eternal death in the lake of fire. If you’re born once, you die twice. If you’re born twice, you can only die once. your body can die, but that’s all. Your spirit goes to be with the Lord Jesus Christ in heaven. And so, a natural man is born into the natural world. He’s just, he’s just born into the natural world. He’s a natural man. And because he is born into the natural world, he is blind to the spiritual world. He doesn’t understand spiritual things. Notice in verse 14. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God, for they’re foolishness unto him. Neither can he know them because they are spiritually discerned. He’s just blind to the spiritual world. There’s a spiritual world all around him, but he doesn’t understand it. Do you see in verse 14 where it says, But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God? Look at the word receiveth. And the word receiveth there is a very interesting word. It literally means to welcome, to welcome the things of God. A natural man has no appreciation for spiritual things. Now, that doesn’t mean he can’t appreciate church. Oh he, an unsaved man can appreciate a service like this. An unsaved can enjoy a church. I mean, he can come and he can say, Well, that sure was good music. You don’t have to be saved to enjoy gospel music. Did you know that? I mean, Betty Stalnecker, she can sing. Why, they, sometimes take gospel music and take it into the honky-tonk, take it into the into the barroom, land take it anywhere. And they say, Now, we’re going to do a gospel number. And then the people sit there and they applaud, they enjoy it. You don’t have to be saved to enjoy good architecture. natural people can be impressed with the building we’re building out there. It’s a natural building made out of natural brick, and it’s, and they say, Hey, good-looking building. I like that. A natural man, he can look at a church, if the church has a Sunday School contest, they have the number of people present, he says, Man, I like that, as much as he enjoys winning a football game, he wins a Sunday School contest. A natural man comes to church and he meets friends and associated with people. He enjoys that just like he would going to a Kiwanis club. Ha, it he’s just naturally enjoys all of that. Why, if a church is meeting its budget, he looks at that just like he looks at his spread sheet, says, Good, real good, doing good. That gives him a good feeling. You see, the natural man can come to church and it’s all fine, he says, Yeah, I like going over there. It’s that’s okay. But, my dear friend, the things that count, he doesn’t understand. He has no appreciation for the things that really count. You see, the cross of the Lord Jesus he doesn’t understand. You see, the apostle Paul says in chapter 2 verse 2, For I determined not to know anything among you save Jesus Christ and him crucified. He said, The princes of this world don’t know that. They don’t understand that. The preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness. They’ll be in a church like this, and they can enjoy everything, and yet, they never really know the things that really count. You see, dear friend, he has no appreciation for it and he has no comprehension of it. He can’t understand it. Look in verse 14. The Bible says, Neither can he know them. I mean, it’s not that he just doesn’t choose to know it. He can’t know it. He can’t see because he is blind to the spiritual world. He doesn’t have the apparatus. What did Jesus tell one of the princes of this world, Nicodemus? Remember that in John chapter 3? Now, Nicodemus was a very intelligent man. He was a religious leader. But he had never been saved. He was a natural man. And Jesus told Nicodemus, Except a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God. Have you ever talked to an unsaved man about spiritual things and he says, I just don’t see that. Hey, he’s not lying. Don’t scold him. He doesn’t see it. He’s not lying. He doesn’t see it. And to scold him for not seeing it would be like scolding a blind man for not seeing a sunset. The Bible says, He cannot know it. He just doesn’t have the apparatus. , n this room today there’s music, there’s drama, there is news, there are sports. All of this is in the room today. You say, well, I don’t see it. No, because you don’t have a television tuner. But had you had a television tuner sitting right there and if you tuned it in, it’s all here, isn’t it? Right? It’s all here. You know it’s here. Now, your great grandfather wouldn’t have been able to understand that, but you understand it. It’s all in this room right now, but you have to have a tuner to tune it in. You see, the unsaved man doesn’t know how to tune in to W 0 R D.
He does not get what really counts. He does not have the apparatus, he cannot tune in almighty God. He cannot understand. That’s what verse doesn’t welcome the word, he doesn’t receive it, and he cannot understand it. He has no appreciation, he has no comprehension of the Word of God. Now, let me show you something else about this man. Because he’s born to the natural world, because he’s blind to the spiritual world, he is bound to the material world, cause that’s the only world he knows, the material world. He is a materialist. is the world the natural man lives in. It is the natural world. And he’s simply bound to it. He has no capacity for spiritual fellowship. Now, let me show-you something. Take your Bible and turn to chapter nine, Jude verse the last book in the Bible, to the last book before Revelation. And so, turn with me to Jude, - and I want to show you a verse. Now, remember, we’re talking about people who are bound to the material world verse 19- But these are they who separate themselves. That is, they’re troublemakers. And then, notice how he describes them. Sensual what the King James says. sensual. Now, the word sensual here is the same word that’s translated natural over here in 2 Corinthians 2. They are people who live by their five senses. They are sensual. The five senses. They live by what they can see, smell, touch, hear, feel. that is how they live because they don’t have the Spirit. They are bound to the material world. And then notice in Jude verse 10 what he calls them. Brute beasts, brute beasts. He says, Naturally, as brute beasts. They’re like animals. Now, let me tell how al, what will make your dog happy. You know, if you had a dog, a brute beast, let me tell you what would make your dog happy. First of all, make certain he gets food to eat. Dogs are unhappy if they don’t get enough to eat. All right, then secondly, make certain that he has a good place to sleep, a nice, warm place to sleep. He likes that. And then thirdly, make certain that he gets some affection. You know, scratch him behind the ears and so forth. He likes that. Pat him, so he wags his tail. And then last of all, let him have a sense of achievement. Give him a cat to chase every now and then. - and if he can do that, all it takes to make a dog happy. What does it take to make a natural man happy? The same four things. All the natural man wants is a good dog’s life. Give him something to eat, nice place to live, some affection, and a sense of achievement. That’s the good life. Ha, that’s the good life. That’s what most of the people want, no more than a dog. Like natural brute beasts. Sensual, having not the Spirit. You see what he’s talking about? They are born into the natural world. They are blind to the spiritual world. And therefore, they are bound to the material world. That’s the natural man. Do you know any people like that? Hey, folks, the world is full of them. And you put a natural man on a church committee and he’d run the church committee just like he would run things in the world. He, he doesn’t know. He hasn’t got the foggiest about what’s going on in church. He’s just a natural man. All right, now, there’s a second category of persons. Not only the natural man, but there is the spiritual man. Look if you will in verse 15. But he that is spiritual, he that is spiritual judgeth all things, but he himself is judged of no man. what, who is the spiritual man? Well, first of all, he lives by the Spirit. Notice if you will in verse 12. But we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is of God. Now, what happens when a man receives the Spirit which is of God? He is saved. Receiving the Spirit is being saved. You see, Christians are not just nice people. They’re new creatures. They have received the Spirit of God. The new birth is when God’s Spirit comes into the human spirit and gives you new life. At that moment, you are made a partaker of the divine nature. And to have the Spirit is to have life, because we have life by the Spirit of God. That’s what the Bible calls being born again. First time he’s born a natural man, the second time he’s born, he’s born a spiritual man, and he lives by the Spirit of God. “He, actually when Jesus told Nicodemus, Nicodemus you must be born again, the Greek word for born again is actually born from above, born from above. That is, the Spirit comes down into you. That’s exactly what he’s talking about here. We have received the Spirit of God that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. So, first of all, he lives by the Spirit. Without the Spirit of God, he’s spiritually dead. the Holy Spirit is to your human spirit what blood is to your body. without the Holy Spirit in you, you are spiritually dead. He lives by the Spirit. I’ll tell you what else he does. He learns from the Spirit. Now, this is very, very interesting. Watch it. What the apostle Paul is talking about here is wisdom. verse 7, But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery. That is, it an enigma to the unsaved. Even the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the world unto our glory, which none of the princes, the high mukkety-mukks of this world knew. For had they known it, if they’re so smart, why did they crucify Jesus? If they’d known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But now watch verse 9. But, as it is written, eye hath not seen. That is, the natural man with the natural eye can’t see it. Nor ear heard. That is, the natural man with the natural ear can’t hear it. Neither hath entered into the heart of man. That is, the natural man with natural emotions can’t feel it. The things which God hath prepared for them that love him. Now so many times we this we use this verse at a funeral. We say eye has not seen, ear hadn’t heard, heart hadn’t felt the things that God has prepared. But our dear beloved brother who’s in heaven, he’s seeing these things, hearing these things, and feeling these That isn’t what this at all. What’s he’s not saying this is something we’re supposed to know when we get to heaven. He’s saying, this is something, folks, we’re supposed to know right here. But we’re not going to know it by the natural eye, the natural ear, and the natural heart. Watch it. But as it is written, eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither hath entered into the heart of man the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But watch this. But God has revealed them unto us. Not when you get to heaven some day. No, God has revealed unto us. How? By his Spirit. Do you see it? the natural ear, not the natural eye, not the natural heart, but with the eye of faith, the ear of faith, the heart of the Spirit- God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit. For the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. Verse 12. Now, we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is of God, that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. We receive the Spirit that we might know. And the things which we speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth. Do you know what that means? The apostle Paul said, When I came to you, I didn’t come with excellency of speech. Look in verse 1. And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech nor of wisdom declaring unto you the testimony of God. The apostle Paul said, Listen. I didn’t come trying to out argue you. I didn’t come with philosophy. I didn’t come with great oratory. That’s not how I came. He said, I came dependent upon the Holy Spirit of God. Listen, my friend. You can t a understand everything I say and still not know what I’m saying. You say, what do you mean? I am saying to you, You can take notes and give my sermon back to me, word for word. If you’re an intelligent person you could do it, and you can say everything that I said, and still you wouldn’t understand. You see, I can preach truth, but only the Holy Spirit can impart truth. What I’m trying to say to you is that when you learn these things, dear friend, you’re going to learn them supernaturally. You are given the Spirit of God that we might know. That’s what the apostle Paul says, and he says in verse 13, Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God. My friend, they’ll go off your back just like water off a duck’s back. You’ll sit here. Somebody say, You understand? You say, But you didn’t get it. You heard the words, but you didn’t get the music. My dear friend, you did not understand the truth of God’s Word if you’re a natural man. a spiritual man lives by the Spirit and he learns from the Spirit. It is the Spirit of God that teaches him these things. Now, not only that, but thirdly, because he lives by the Spirit, learns from the Spirit, he is liberated through the Spirit. Look if you will in verses 15 and following. But he that is spiritual judges all things, but he himself is judged of no man. Now, what does that mean? He that is spiritual judges all things. Does that mean he’s supposed to go around saying, This man’s saved, and that man’s lost, and all? No, no, that’s not what he’s talking about. The word here is the word discern. He discerns all things. And the word here it’s a legal word. It means to make an evaluation. And as a result of that evaluation, to discriminate between that which is moral and immoral, that which is good and that which is evil. e hay he has the ability to discriminate, he has the ability to discern. He has the ability- to see through this world. And because he has the ability to see through it, it doesn’t have a hold on him. He sees right through it. Remember we said that the natural man is what? He is bound to the material world. but not the spiritual man. Why? Because the spiritual man, he discerns all things. He sees right through it. His value system is working correctly, and this world doesn’t squeeze him into its mold. He sees right through it. He understands. He is liberated. He knows the truth. And the truth has set him free. And what binds other people, it doesn’t bind him. He’s marching to the beat of a different drummer. But now, wait a minute. It says, he that is spiritual all things, but no man judges him. Well, does that mean that that if you get saved, people are not going to speak evil of you? no. Does it mean that if you get saved, people are not going to say judgment? No, that isn’t what it means at all. What it means is simply this, that he that is spiritual, nobody understands him. They don’t understand him. He is discerned of no man. They don’t understand him. Why, they say, What’s gotten into him? Why doesn’t he do what everybody else does? Why isn’t he like everybody else? I’ll tell you why. Because he’s born from above. He sees things that they don’t see, dear friend, and he’s headed in a different direction. He’s a twice-born man in a world of once-born men, and he’s going against the tide all the time. And they don’t understand him. (They don’t say,) )they say, What makes him tick? what’s gotten into my son? What’s gotten into my husband? What’s gotten into my wife? What? Why he’s a religious nut. Sure. He is judged of no man. He is discerned of no man. But he’s set free. Their opinion doesn’t change him. And the values of this world don’t conform him. He’s not conformed by this world because he has been transformed. He has a new mind. You see, listen. look at the last part of verse 16. But we have the mind of Christ. Well, how did you get the mind of Christ? Well, I’ll tell you how you got the mind of Christ. You received the Spirit of God, and he is the Spirit sent From the Holy Spirit from the Lord Jesus, and Jesus said, He will teach you the things of mine. He will show them unto you. And you learn from the Spirit. And therefore you have the mind of Christ. And as you’re walking in the Spirit, you’re thinking God’s thoughts after him, and the world doesn’t understand you, but dear friend, you understand the world. You understand the world, cause you see right through it. You discern all things. And this world that that that people are trying to have so they can live a good dog’s life, you see the futility of that, you see the stupidity of that, you see the end of that, you see right through all the way to the end. You see what eyes can’t see. You hear what ears can’t hear. You feel what hearts can’t feel. And how? Because you have received the Spirit that is of God. Now, my dear friend, that is a spiritual man. All right, now, there’s a third kind of person. I hate to mention is; but most of the people’ I know and associate with in churches are in the third category. There is the natural man. He’s lost. There is the spiritual man. He’s saved, walking in the Spirit, growing on to maturity. But then, there is the carnal man. Look at this. Oh, I hate to even say this. But it’s in the Word of God. Chapter 3 verse 1. And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. Now notice. Evidently, they’re saved people. Because he calls them what? Brethren. And certainly they’re saved because he says they’re in Christ. Do you know what the word carnal means though? The word carnal means fleshly. it’s not talking about having gained too ,’much weight, having too much. But what he is speaking about is the word flesh, the Bible word carnal, carnas, our English word, it’s the word we like a carniverous animal, a flesh- eating animal, or carnival, which means farewell to the flesh. Well, what is this? He’s a person who, though he has been saved, his flesh, his old nature, seems to have predominance. And so, he’s what we call a carnal Christian. It’s almost a contradiction in terms. It’s like talking about a heavenly devil, a carnal Christian. He’s neither fish, nor fowl. He is saved, but you’d never know it. He ought to be mature, but he’s like a little baby. Now, let me give you three marks of a carnal Christian. And let’s see if you fit in. First of all, he is a very dependent person, a very dependent person. he has to propped up, helped, followed up all the time. Look if you will in verses 1 and 2. And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. Now, what is the one characteristic of a baby? Helplessness, isn’t it? Look. I have fed you with milk, and not with meat, for hitherto were ye, underscore this next phrase, not able to bear it. Neither yet now are ye able. Inability is the mark of immaturity. Inability is the mark of immaturity. You’re not able. You’re not able. You’re not able. A baby Christian, a carnal Christian is one who is dependent-upon other people. excuse me, he is one who is dependent. And because he is dependent, he is he is deformed. I mean, he ought to be grown, but he’s not grown. He’s a baby. Now, all of us enjoy having babies. And thank God for these little babies. When a little baby comes, you just hold it just like that in your hands. And that’s so precious. But suppose you had a baby that stayed a baby all of its life. Have you ever seen children whose physical -growth is impeded for some reason? Or have you ever seen someone whose mental growth is impeded? Now, God has a special love for those people like that. And he protects them, if you know someone. But you know, the parents’ hearts just hurt when the little baby doesn’t develop. How do you think God feels when he looks over a congregation and sees some grey-headed babies? I mean, people spiritually who are supposed to grow up, but they haven’t grown up. I mean, they have been members of this church or some other church 10, 15, 20 years, and they’re still babies. They are dependent. But they’re dependent because they’re deformed And he says here, I couldn’t speak unto you as unto spiritual, mature people. I had to speak to you as to carnal, even as little babes in Christ. Now what do you do with a little baby? Well, you have to feed it. Paul said I couldn’t give you milk, I mean meat, I had to give you milk. I had to feed you. Do you know what milk is? It’s just predigested food. The mother eats the food, digests it, and gives it back to the baby. Do you know what the pastor is in many churches? Just a spiritual nursemaid I mean, you come. do you know what a sermon is? Do you know what a sermon is? A sermon is predigested food. I take the Word of God, I read it, I absorb it, I think about it, I pray over it, I organize it, I illustrate it, I apply it, I give it to you. Well, that’s fine. But friend, that’s milk, that’s milk. And what the pastor is in the average church is a nursemaid, gives people a bottle of milk on Sunday, and burps them on the way out, and that’s about all they get. I mean, that is about all they get. Paul said, I wanted to give you some meat. I couldn’t give you any meat, he said. I’ll give you strained beets and pabulum. because you are a little baby. And all you can have is predigested food. You can’t enjoy a steak. Let me tell you something, folks. I’m going to get a little mean right now. I hope you’ll forgive me. But I want you to turn with me to Hebrews chapter 5, Hebrews chapter 5. Look in verse 12., Before we read it, let me say this. The average Christian I know is not a normal Christian, but I’m sorry to say, he is an average Christian. He thinks he does God a wild favor if he comes to church on Sunday morning and hears a sermon, and even stays awake. Well, I went to church Sunday. I listened. So. Listen to what listen to what the writer of Hebrews said. Hebrews chapter 5 verse 12. For when, for the time, you ought to be teachers, you have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God. You, when you ought to be teaching, you have need to go back to kindergarten, learn the ABC’s, the 1 2 3’s, and are become such as have need of milk and not strong meat. For everyone that useth milk is unskillful in the word of righteousness, for he is a baby. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even to those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. Remember he the spiritual man, he discerns, he sees through all things? are folks who’ve been members of this church 20, 30, 40 years, you’re still babies. You ought to be teachers. A child goes through this stage, first of all he has to be fed. Then he grows a little bit, and he can feed himself. Wonderful. But he’s not finished yet. He is to go on to maturity where he can feed others. And the and the writer of the book of Hebrews said, When you ought to be teaching others, you have need that someone still teach you. And the average member of the average congregation, and you know it is so, knows so pitiful little about the Word of God. Many of you have been members 5, 10, 15 years, couldn’t even name the books of the Bible. If I’d say, Turn to the book of Hezekiah, you’d start looking. Some would turn for Philip 66. You wouldn’t know how to lead anybody to Christ. You don’t have a working knowledge of Bible theology. You say, well, maybe my preacher is not teaching me good enough. No, that’s not it. My dear friend, preaching is simply predigested food. There is reason of use. You’re going to have to get serious about this thing and get into the Word of God. And the reason we have so many carnal Christians today, my dear friend, they are dependent cause they’ re deformed And because they’re dependent and deformed let me say one other thing about them. They are divisive. Go back if you will to I Corinthians and look with me here in chapter 3 verse 3. For ye are yet carnal. For wherein there is among you envying and strife and division, are ye not carnal and walk as men? For while saith, I am of Paul, and another, I am Apollos, are ye not carnal? Do you know what was happening here? The church was getting all divided. Do you know what they were divided over? They were divided over pastors. One said, Oh, I like Paul. He’s so much doctrine. Other says, Oh, I like Apollos. He’s such an orator. Another one said, I like Simon Peter. He tells it like it is. And the most sticky crowd of all said, We’re of Jesus. They were a bunch of pious prigs is what they were. And the apostle Paul said, You’re like little children. Have you ever watched little children argue over trifles? Have you ever been in a church filled with carnal people and filled with division? God deliver me. God deliver me from it. Little children arguing over tweedle-de-dee and tweedle-de-dum. It’s a mark of carnality, dear friend. Let me tell what is a mighty force in the hand of a holy God, a church where people are growing Christians, where they are feeding others the Word of God and they’re spiritual.
If you’re a natural man, get saved. Because if you haven’t been born twice, you’re going to wish you never were born at all. If you are a carnal person, turn from your childishness, enthrone the Lord Jesus Christ, and grow up. If you’re a spiritual person, don’t get cocky about it. Thank God for it. But you haven’t reached maturity yet. You just keep on growing.